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Atheists are Bashing God

MikePrime said:
It seems a lot of atheist seem to not agree with religion on the basis of biblical text. I don't think there is a vast amount of people in Judaism or Christianity that believe that the actions of genocides and slavery in the bible are good and they are most obviously written by man centuries later. Atheist are more focused on biblical text than actual theists. The focus of religion is more so the understanding of the nature of the human condition and the ways in which we can deals with the discomforts that come with it.

As for the idea of God. I will say that I wear a cross on my chest everyday but I don't necessarily believe in the church idea of what God is, though I do think its very plausible we have a creator.

I would just like to point out that that is no real rational evidence to say whether or not there is a creator. At this point in time we really don't know. You can criticize theist for the idea of a creator but you have no proof that there is none.
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Why do so many make excuses for biblical genocide and slavery or say “well it was ok back then”.

There are many here that do it and one that actually thinks genocide is ok if the “chosen people” do it.
 
MikePrime said:
That's actually a good point and one the most interesting parts of the old testament in when some of the patriarchs question God. It does do a job at moralizing God that he wouldn't kill innocent people, though it is under the presumption that the city actually had no righteous men. My 2022 brain tells me that's virtually impossible.
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lol...in this day and time, it would be even more difficult to find 50...
 
bomberfox said:
Why do so many make excuses for biblical genocide and slavery or say “well it was ok back then”
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I don't think there is a lot of people post enlightenment that are actually excusing it. Slavery was ok back then, doesn't mean people today think its right.
But yes I am encountering this individual now lol.
 
Elora said:
What happens to those newborns if all the adults are dead?
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God tells righteous adults from other cities/towns/villages to go get the newborns, and adopt them, and nurture them to be righteous men, unless some of them are females; then they are to be adopted and nurtured to be righteous adult women.
 
Elora said:
lol...in this day and time, it would be even more difficult to find 50...
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Thats a joke, if you want to say pure men, then sure no one is completely pure but to say deserving of genocide, then a hard no.
 
Logician Man said:
That is something I've seen and heard 'some' theists state both here and in real life. Here's my thoughts on this claim. Since Atheists don't believe in God(s), it is impossible to hate something one does not believe in. I'm only speaking for myself, but when I may come across to theists as "Bashing God" ( or hating on God(s), what I'm actually doing is questioning some of the things written in a holy text by ancients attributed to the biblical God. Things like trying to rectify the Biblical claims of being a "fair and just" God with killing a bunch of babies because of a feud with a Pharaoh. That is not fair and just in atheist world. Why not? Because the ends doesn't justify the means. I do understand the theist view on this type of issue, and the reasons as to why it is acceptable to theists, and the defense of the deed. Anyway, I think the claim Atheists hate God(s) is summarily dismissed for the reason stated above. I think it's more accurate to say Atheists are questioning the Biblical God's 'Injustices', as has been attributed to this God by the Bible writers. What are your thoughts as to whether Atheists are actually hating on, or Bashing the Biblical God? Are Atheists really 'bashing' a GOD, or acts attributed to a God by mere mortals?
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How can I bash something that does not exist? That sounds illogical to me.
 
MikePrime said:
I don't think there is a lot of people post enlightenment that are actually excusing it. Slavery was ok back then, doesn't mean people today think its right.
But yes I am encountering this individual now lol.
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Yeah its one of those things that JWs do, they love bomb in the beginning but when you get further in they arent so nice.

Do you believe slavery was ok back then? If so why?
 
Peter King said:
How can I bash something that does not exist? That sounds illogical to me.
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You can believe it doesn't exist but you have no proof there isn't.
You're not a ideological high ground of rationality there is no more proof of the non existence of God than the existence of one.
 
Logician Man said:
God tells righteous adults from other cities/towns/villages to go get the newborns, and adopt them, and nurture them to be righteous men, unless some of them are females; then they are to be adopted and nurtured to be righteous adult women.
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As to Jehovah’s judgments, I've come to know I can trust Him and not to lean upon my own understanding...
 
bomberfox said:
Yeah its one of those things that JWs do, they love bomb in the beginning but when you get further in they arent so nice.

Do you believe slavery was ok back then? If so why?
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Im saying that it was ok back then, that is different than saying I personally think its ok to of existed because it was long time ago. I am just pointing out that it was culturally normal but that doesn't make it right.
 
Logician Man said:
Yeah. I addressed that myself in the OP.
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I agree with you. I can question someone's blind faith in what is written in the bible when it makes no sense. But that is not done to bash but to convey my disbelief in people being 900 years old, or that all the first born in Egypt died, the world flooded, etc.

The Egyptians were not bad at keeping some records, neither were some other tribes/people's in that region mentioning say the flooding of the region. A wise religious figure in the Netherlands (to me as an atheist) said that the bible is a guide as to how to live your life, the stories are there not to be seen as blind history lessons but as inspirational or cautionary tales so that mankind can learn.
 
MikePrime said:
Thats a joke, if you want to say pure men, then sure no one is completely pure but to say deserving of genocide, then a hard no.
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But the day is coming when Jehovah will take action again, so it's not so far fetched as you may think...
 
MikePrime said:
You can believe it doesn't exist but you have no proof there isn
You're not a ideological high ground of rationality there is no more proof of the non existence of God than the existence of one.
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No, I know it does not exist. And it is very rational to know something does not exist if there is not a shred of evidence that something like gods or magic people ever existed. It is the same reason I do not believe in Ra or Osiris, don't believe in Buddha or Shiva.
 
Elora said:
But the day is coming when Jehovah will take action again, so it's not so far fetched as you may think...
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If there is a creator who will return to make generalizations over societies through violence, he wont have my following nor support.
 
Peter King said:
I agree with you. I can question someone's blind faith in what is written in the bible when it makes no sense. But that is not done to bash but to convey my disbelief in people being 900 years old, or that all the first born in Egypt died, the world flooded, etc.

The Egyptians were not bad at keeping some records, neither were some other tribes/people's in that region mentioning say the flooding of the region. A wise religious figure in the Netherlands (to me as an atheist) said that the bible is a guide as to how to live your life, the stories are there not to be seen as blind history lessons but as inspirational or cautionary tales so that mankind can learn.
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Hi, Peter. Hope you're doing well. This may be a good time to ask a more condensed question regarding the OP. ----Are atheists, in reality, "Bashing God, Or the "God Concept", as presented in biblical scripture?
 
Peter King said:
No, I know it does not exist. And it is very rational to know something does not exist if there is not a shred of evidence that something like gods or magic people ever existed. It is the same reason I do not believe in Ra or Osiris, don't believe in Buddha or Shiva.
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What is a God? Are we not Gods to the host of cross species and breeding we have made? Are we not God to dogs and other animals?
What is magic? Magic is technology. The iPhone and internet would be sorcery to medieval men. The inventions of the next 500 years are unfathomable magic to us.
Why is it so far fetched that another being created us?
Where is your evidence that we purely created from the random chaos of the universe? seems likes a lot of order to me. Where does life and the existence of anything even start and why? We don't know these things so NO you do not know whether or not we were created.
 
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I've run into plenty of "God bashing atheist", they always want to chime in that there is no God anytime the word is muttered, even if someone just evokes the word god.

Even among theist there is no agreement, not on the Bible or other texts, as to who or what God is.

To me, God is love and love is God. Just as you can't explain or prove to someone that has never been in love what love is, I can't explain or prove what God is to me. I only know I feel his love, and at time I may want to share 'his' love with others, but I'm flawed, a sinner. So how that comes across to others, including athletes, is often not what I intend.

You're not going to Hell because you deny my God, if you do go to Hell it will be because you deny love, you fail to love others as you love yourself. Most often I find that people that don't love others have no love for themselves, and as it proteins to God bashing atheists, as they don't love themselves, they can't feel God's love for them, because they just don't feel worthy, so they lash out any time the word is muttered. They chose to be at war with a word.
 
nvflash said:
I've run into plenty of "God bashing atheist", they always want to chime in that there is no God anytime the word is muttered, even if someone just evokes the word god.

Even among theist there is no agreement, not on the Bible or other texts, as to who or what God is.

To me, God is love and love is God. Just as you can't explain or prove to someone that has never been in love what love is, I can't explain or prove what God is to me. I only know I feel his love, and at time I may want to share 'his' love with others, but I'm flawed, a sinner. So how that comes across to others, including athletes, is often not what I intend.

You're not going to Hell because you deny my God, if you do go to Hell it will be because you deny love, you fail to love others as you love yourself. Most often I find that people that don't love others have no love for themselves, and as it proteins to God bashing atheists, as they don't love themselves, they can't feel God's love for them, because they just don't feel worthy, so they lash out any time the word is muttered. They chose to be at war with a word.
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Probably more accurate to say Atheists at "at war" ( a bit of an over statement, IMO ) with a "God concept" that doesn't practice what that "God concept" preaches, as is clearly displayed in biblical scripture attributed to that "God concept's" actions, as to being 'fair and just."
 
MikePrime said:
If there is a creator who will return to make generalizations over societies through violence, he wont have my following nor support.
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That is your prerogative...I choose to look at things from Jehovah's POV...He creates man and gives him everything he wants/needs with the prospect of living forever, he even gives man a mate to share and enjoy this life with...He sets him in a beautiful garden and tells him to fill the earth with his offspring...in return, not only do both humans reject His loving direction, but one of His very own angels instigates the whole rebellion by calling Jehovah a liar, defaming His glorious name, and by making the claim He has no right to rule His very own creation...um yeah, I choose to be on Jehovah's side...
 
Logician Man said:
Hi, Peter. Hope you're doing well. This may be a good time to ask a more condensed question regarding the OP. ----Are atheists, in reality, "Bashing God, Or the "God Concept", as presented in biblical scripture?
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I am not one of those "modern" atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens. I am not out to disprove god, you cannot prove or disprove something that does not exist. I cannot find proof for the existence of unicorns and neither can I find proof they do not exist. We just know they do not exist. That is the same way I feel about god. I am not out to disprove to a religious person that god does not exist. I can be (as stated) very critical of the content of the bible, at least when they use it as a history book.

Like the silly museum that is so creationist that people and dinosaurs roamed the earth together. If people believe in god, good, that is their faith. Just don't pretend it is a science and the bible the history book of earth.

I do believe in the concept of good and evil and that there is a battle between the 2, in fact the two battle daily in every human being. Pure good does not exist, and neither does pure evil. Adolf Hitler is one of the most evil humans in the world, but he is not pure evil, because he also had some good in him. He was kind to his dog, he loved his wife.

Religious is not a concept I have a problem with for others as long as they respect my non-belief too. The problem I have is with extremely Pious people who are arrogant enough to think that sun comes out of all their orifices and that they are superior to others (the sin of pride so to speak), people who dismiss other religions as inferior to theirs and people who actually say "I am going to pray for you so that you will find your way to Jesus". Now I cannot help it if people silently think that or pray for me but to tell me that is insulting IMO.
 
Elora said:
That is your prerogative...I choose to look at things from Jehovah's POV...He creates man and gives him everything he wants/needs with the prospect of living forever, he even gives man a mate to share and enjoy this life with...He sets him in a beautiful garden and tells him to fill the earth with his offspring...in return, not only do both humans reject His loving direction, but one of His very own angels instigates the whole rebellion by calling Jehovah a liar, defaming His glorious name, and by making the claim He has no right to rule His very own creation...um yeah, I choose to be on Jehovah's side...
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How did people reject his direction if the majority of humanity was no where near the middle east in order to even hear about his direction. If He created all men why not spread the word to everyone around the globe? Why just one desert tribe? Seems more likely that the rising kingdom of Jerusalem chose themselves as the chosen people, and then of course you have the further contradiction that the Christians later say that the Jews betrayed God and so they are now the chosen people, you know screw the millennia of covenants and promises to the Jewish people, totally seems like what God would do.
 
MikePrime said:
How did people reject his direction if the majority of humanity was no where near the middle east in order to even hear about his direction. If He created all men why not spread the word to everyone around the globe? Why just one desert tribe? Seems more likely that the rising kingdom of Jerusalem chose themselves as the chosen people, and then of course you have the further contradiction that the Christians later say that the Jews betrayed God and so they are now the chosen people, you know screw the millennia of covenants and promises to the Jewish people, totally seems like what God would do.
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I see you need to do a little reading...Genesis is a good place to start...
 
Manc Skipper said:
If you need religion to be a good person, then maybe you're not a good person.
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But does it matter ?

Surely what matters is that someone is a good person

If they need religion to help become one, then I'm all for it.
 
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