Atheism seems more relevant than it used to be

[Daisy]

Everything is according to god's plan. No exceptions to that rule.

Wrong...

 

[devildavid]

Wrong...

Which words? Everything that happens is because that is how god wants it to be. To believe otherwise is to believe that god just looks the other way. God wanted man to go against him so he could administer this big test. Everything that follows if because of god. He wanted it to turn out this way so eh could be sure that human beings really really really loved him, and weren't just pretending out of fear of his power. Our lives are the punishment god brought on us on purpose.

 

[Daisy]

Which words? Everything that happens is because that is how god wants it to be. To believe otherwise is to believe that god just looks the other way. God wanted man to go against him so he could administer this big test. Everything that follows if because of god. He wanted it to turn out this way so eh could be sure that human beings really really really loved him, and weren't just pretending out of fear of his power. Our lives are the punishment god brought on us on purpose.

No, it's not...man has been going against God's will since Cain...

 

[devildavid]

No, it's not...man has been going against God's will since Cain...

Just as god wanted. He loves a tough test.

 

[tosca1]

Atheism seems to be more relevant than it used to be

The burden of proof ALWAYS lies with those making the claim of the entity. And you are going way too fast then you focus on “proof”. The real key is EVIDENCE. It those who claim a particular entity, be it Zeus or the Abrahamic God, are unable to present any objective, reality-based evidence...

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I have no idea why this topic was placed in the "Off Topic" forum, but it is indeed there if you want to comment. Seems like it should have been in this Belief and Skepticism forum.

Relevant only................................. if society is becoming socialist or communist.

But right now - it seems the new atheist choir - who were so loudly mouthy a few years back - has suddenly gone quiet.
You'd think they found themselves inside a library......or, church.



I suppose there's some truth to the saying, if you cut off the head of the snake...............

Lol - and, that's just exactly what Wliiliam Lane Craig did!

 

[Daisy]

Just as god wanted. He loves a tough test.

No, He would've much rather man had listened to Him...but since he didn't, he must feel...

 

[devildavid]

Relevant only................................. if society is becoming socialist or communist.

Or simply more secular. Atheism is not akin to any political or social philosophy. It is more akin to the elimination of one human superstition.

 

[devildavid]

No, He would've much rather man had listened to Him...but since he didn't, he must feel...

No, it is obvious god wanted to be really really really sure that human beings loved him. That is why he made them capable of disobedience and made sure they were tempted to go against him. He wanted it baaaaad!

 

[Daisy]

No, it is obvious god wanted to be really really really sure that human beings loved him. That is why he made them capable of disobedience and made sure they were tempted to go against him. He wanted it baaaaad!

I guess you are proof of that, huh...

 

[tosca1]

Or simply more secular. Atheism is not akin to any political or social philosophy. It is more akin to the elimination of one human superstition.

Communism and Socialism are godless ideologies. Of course that's relevant, considering they do things by force!

Anyway, secular doesn't make atheism relevant!
We're quite secular right now and yet survey shows people are spiritual even if they don't belong to any organized religion!

Spiritualism on the Rise

The Pew Research Center reported 65% of Americans described themselves as Christian in 2018 and 2019 — a number that has been in decline for a decade.…

www.upr.org

 

[watsup]

Communism and Socialism are godless ideologies. Of course that's relevant, considering they do things by force!

Communism has actually been DECREASING in the world since the break-up of the Soviet Union, and both Vietnam and China allow churches and church-going and do not emphasize atheism as a part of their official ideology. And there is no indication that socialism embraces atheism as many aspects of religion and socialism have the same goals of aid and comfort to the lesser among us. Nor is there indication that the more socialist governments of Europe “do things by force” but rather work through the normal government processes. Please pay better attention in the future.

 

[devildavid]

Communism and Socialism are godless ideologies. Of course that's relevant, considering they do things by force!

No, they are not. They are social/political ideologies that can be put in place regardless of beliefs in gods. And they don't do things by force, either. Not any more than any social structure with laws that can be enforced.

 

[tosca1]

No, they are not. They are social/political ideologies that can be put in place regardless of beliefs in gods. And they don't do things by force, either. Not any more than any social structure with laws that can be enforced.

...................only if we're gullible or naive enough to believe China saying, there are no human rights violations happening in China!

 

[tosca1]

Communism has actually been DECREASING in the world since the break-up of the Soviet Union, and both Vietnam and China allow churches and church-going and do not emphasize atheism as a part of their official ideology. And there is no indication that socialism embraces atheism as many aspects of religion and socialism have the same goals of aid and comfort to the lesser among us. Nor is there indication that the more socialist governments of Europe “do things by force” but rather work through the normal government processes. Please pay better attention in the future.

Whether communism is decreasing or increasing is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the ideology.

Here. This is what's relevant to the OP:

Spiritualism on the Rise

The Pew Research Center reported 65% of Americans described themselves as Christian in 2018 and 2019 — a number that has been in decline for a decade.…

www.upr.org

if spiritualism is on the rise, wouldn't that mean atheism is actually becoming irrelevant?

 

[devildavid]

...................only if we're gullible or naive enough to believe China saying, there are no human rights violations happening in China!

Human rights violations take place in all countries. It is not peculiar to any one form of government.

 

[devildavid]

Whether communism is decreasing or increasing is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the ideology.

Here. This is what's relevant to the OP:

Spiritualism on the Rise

The Pew Research Center reported 65% of Americans described themselves as Christian in 2018 and 2019 — a number that has been in decline for a decade.…

www.upr.org

if spiritualism is on the rise, wouldn't that mean atheism is actually becoming irrelevant?

No. Spiritualism does not mean a belief in gods.

 

[watsup]

Whether communism is decreasing or increasing is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the ideology.

Here. This is what's relevant to the OP:

Spiritualism on the Rise

The Pew Research Center reported 65% of Americans described themselves as Christian in 2018 and 2019 — a number that has been in decline for a decade.…

www.upr.org

if spiritualism is on the rise, wouldn't that mean atheism is actually becoming irrelevant?

Actually, polls also show that atheism is on the rise in the US and other Western nations. So what should be the take-away from that?

 

[TypicalRussian]

Everything is according to god's plan. No exceptions to that rule.

Quit using progressive Christian terms

 

[TypicalRussian]

So according to your moral standards, two wrongs do somehow make a right, eh? And it’s okay for a doctor to sexually abuse children at a CHRISTIAN boarding school because of past actions against Christians? What very strange moral standards? You should be ashamed.

No I never justified the act by the Doctor. Plus, how can you say he was Christian? Just because the boarding school has a Christian identity doesnt mean the doctor was a Christian. Plenty of secularists in Catholic schools

 

[TypicalRussian]

Ummm no. I’ve read “Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God,” and it has pretty much nothing in common with JW teaching (which does not include a Hell).

they might not believe in hell exactly but agree that there is a spiritual death of the body

 

[watsup]

No I never justified the act by the Doctor. Plus, how can you say he was Christian? Just because the boarding school has a Christian identity doesnt mean the doctor was a Christian. Plenty of secularists in Catholic schools

It’s not a Catholic facility. And the topic was the doctor who committed lots of sexual abuse at a Christian boarding school. Why did you change the subject to the Red Terror in Spain if you were not trying to deflect away from that? I can get you plenty of other instances of similar situations if you would like.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Sure did...

Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Protestants?​

No. Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christians, but we do not consider ourselves to be Protestants. Why not?
Protestantism has been defined as a “religious movement opposing Roman Catholicism.” While it is true that Jehovah’s Witnesses disagree with teachings of the Catholic Church, we do not consider ourselves to be Protestants for the following reasons:

1. A number of Protestant beliefs conflict with what the Bible actually teaches. For example, the Bible teaches that “there is one God,” not a Trinity. (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:28) And it clearly teaches that God punishes the wicked, not in hellfire, but with eternal destruction.—Psalm 37:9; 2 Thessalonians 1:9.
2. We do not protest against or attempt to reform the Catholic Church or any other religious group. On the contrary, we simply preach the good news of God’s Kingdom, endeavoring to help others build faith in that good news. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) We are interested, not in attempting to reform other religious groups, but in teaching sincere individuals the truth about God and his Word, the Bible.—Colossians 1:9, 10; 2 Timothy 2:24, 25.
3. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502014104?q=are+we+protestants&p=sen

Great, get it from YOUR official sources

It IS a protestant denomination. From restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.

 

[TypicalRussian]

It’s not a Catholic facility. And the topic was the doctor who committed lots of sexual abuse at a Christian boarding school. Why did you change the subject to the Red Terror in Spain if you were not trying to deflect away from that? I can get you plenty of other instances of similar situations if you would like.

Again, was the doctor Christian?

in

 

[Daisy]

Great, get it from YOUR official sources

It IS a protestant denomination. From restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.

 

[watsup]

Again, was the doctor Christian?

Again, I can show you lots of stories just like this one of children being abused while in the care of Christians at Christian boarding facilities and schools. Is it not the responsibility of those in charge of these facilities to pay close attention to the manner in which their students are being treated? Your questions about the doctor’s faith is just lame excuse-making for not acknowledging that. Do it yourself. Don’t believe me. Put “Christian schools sex abuse” into Google and report back to me with the results.