If a thing has not been established as impossible, Ramoss...IT IS POSSIBLE.
The moment it is established as impossible...it becomes impossible...but until then IT IS POSSIBLE.
You need to get a better grip on what it means to say something is possible, Freedom.
As for who is taller:
It IS POSSIBLE you are taller than I.
It also IS POSSIBLE I am taller than you.
It IS POSSIBLE we are exactly the same height.
All of those things are POSSIBLE...regardless of which is correct. Until one is established as impossible...IT IS POSSIBLE.
I suggest you read that post by Ninja I just mentioned to Ramoss also.
NO, that is not true. The moment it is established to be impossible is when you know it is impossible. That only establishes your knowledge about it. That does not change the fundamentals about reality, but only your knowledge about it.
Without having met you, I can state with certainty that you are not 18 feet tall.
So???
What does that have to do with what we are discussing here?
I am NOT 18 FEET tall. I actually gave my height in a story I told in one thread about a month ago.
If a thing has not been established as impossible, Ramoss...IT IS POSSIBLE.
I didn't read that. You made a statement of absolute.
I haven't established your height, yet it is not possible for you to be so tall.
Obviously not everything that has been established as "impossible" is possible.
What do you mean "absolute?"
First of all...you ARE telling me you have established (albeit, informally) it to be impossible.
Then you wrote "Obviously not everything that has been established as "impossible" is possible"....which makes no sense.
Wanna try that again?
Yes, it makes the "god" arbitrary. The dictionary, however, is quite clear.
God
ɡäd/
noun
1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
synonyms: the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
My apology, I guess you were not head anywhere with that. Your question though was leading. And the main reason that I didnt answer it is that it really has no bearing on anything. By that I mean I see no rational reason that anyone should assume such a grand fantastical thing. The concept of a intelligent thing creating a universe has no real connection with what humans call gods. And the concept of a universe creator is a huge what if. What ifs tend to have no logical basis.
WHat it comes down to is that your asking me to get on board with your imagination. 'Is it possible that this imagined thing was done with or without a purpose?'
How is one supposed to answer a question like that logically. The best that one could say is: Your question largely generalizes and relied on huge amounts of assumptions. Why dont you tell me what your point is in asking such a silly question?
That is really my answer to that question. It really cant be answered as a yes or no question given the logically fallacious nature of the question. For me to answer 'yes' I would need to assume that such a thing is possible. And if I answered 'no' then because of how the question is formatted, I would have to have sort of knowledge of why this imagined creator created. It really should be reworded.
Perhaps this makes more sense: Do you believe it is possibly that intelligent life could create a universe? Then follow that up with: Is it possible that if a intelligent life can create a universe that it would do so for a purpose?
The first question I can easily answer: No. I do not think it is possible that intelligent life can create a universe.
The looseness of a question that is impossible for me to know actual truth about needs no real evidence to back up since it really is just a opinion based on presumptions that I have about the nature of the universe. Conversely had I answered yes, it would still be just a opinion.
The part to the question if I answered no, which I did removes the question from my plate. I do not think it is possible for intelligent life to create a universe. Therefore I need not worry about the possibility of a purpose for something I reject. I do actually just reject the question (your version and my version) based on the silliness of it. It is on par with rejecting someone asking me if it is possible that there is a copy of myself in another dimension. The concept is absurd and irrational.
Anyways you came u with the question trying to elicit a answer for the purpose of making some kind of point. I guess you missed the part in my other post where I asked you to just tell me your point? I suspect though that your point had more to do with showing me up than offering a position of your own.
I haven't measured you. I don't know how tall you are. There's infinite possibilities, yes? Even a god stating that There Shall Be a Frank of Ridiculous Proportions!!! Yes? All these are unknown, and thus must be "possible", yes? Yet I can state with certainty that you are not 18 feet tall. Why? Because all that has not been established is not possible.
Maybe you should just think about what you wrote and the consequences thereof.
I think perhaps it is you who ought to think things through more carefully, Ikari.
You screwed up the text of your post so badly, it makes no sense to actually deal with it.
Start all over...and make whatever point you want to make...
...and explain how whatever point you are trying to make impacts on the fact that IT IS POSSIBLE THAT FREEDOM IS TALLER THAN I...IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT FREEDOM IS NOT AS TALL AS I...AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT FREEDOM AND I ARE IDENTICAL IN HEIGHT.
You just need to think about what was written a bit more. Try it out, I'm sure if you work at it, you'll be able to figure it out eventually.
Obviously not everything that has been established as "impossible" is possible.
Nice try.
You can make sense of this...which you wrote?
As one of my graduate physics professors used to say, "You just need to think about it some more".
You just need to think about what was written a bit more. Try it out, I'm sure if you work at it, you'll be able to figure it out eventually.
Apples to oranges because we have known, finite parameters for human height. What are the parameters for where a god might choose to live, or for what form he/she/it might take, or for what abilities he/she/it might have?I didn't read that. You made a statement of absolute.
I haven't established your height, yet it is not possible for you to be so tall.
Obviously not everything that has been established as "impossible" is possible.
Apples to oranges because we have known, finite parameters for human height. What are the parameters for where a god might choose to live, or for what form he/she/it might take, or for what abilities he/she/it might have?
I don't know the parameters for a god, that was the point. We can come to the conclusion that something is impossible if we have a control (given parameters) with which to test it against.You tell us, and then tell us how you came to that conclusion. Lots of theists claim lots of things about their gods, yet can provide no reason why they actually believe them to be true.
I don't know the parameters for a god, that was the point. We can come to the conclusion that something is impossible if we have a control (given parameters) with which to test it against.
Meh....stupid is a relative term. It works for me. Gives me hope and inner peace. People find hope and positive energy in a variety of strange ways but I don't judge them. Why should my source of comfort be considered more "stupid" than any other?So you believe in something for which you haven't got the slightest idea what it is? Doesn't that seem... stupid?
You need to get a better grip on what it means to say something is possible, Freedom.
As for who is taller:
It IS POSSIBLE you are taller than I.
It also IS POSSIBLE I am taller than you.
It IS POSSIBLE we are exactly the same height.
All of those things are POSSIBLE...regardless of which is correct. Until one is established as impossible...IT IS POSSIBLE.
I suggest you read that post by Ninja I just mentioned to Ramoss also.
I didn't have a point. I was curious of your response to the question. Thank you for answering. I do agree that the concept of a god and the purpose a god may have for the universe is quite benign and adds little substance to everyday life. Many others disagree. Even though the majority of ideals that surround the idea of whether or not a god exists are bad, few others are good ideals and social constructs.
The idea that we should consider the repercussions if there is a life and judgement after this one. I wouldn't commend anyone whom says there is for certain, but I would say its an idea worth pondering and conversing.
There is also the idea that a god wants us to work harmoniously together. Pondering how a "creator" would want this universe to work as a collective may help us define a better and more harmonious strategy as humans all together.
Here are some points I will make though.
Not all ideals of what a god is or is not are good ideas. They have led to many good circumstances as well as bad ones. We need to find the good things that came from our constructs of god and find ways to implement them more effectively for everyone in society. Society can't do that by debilitating the communication process by assuming a "god" in any fashion is not possible or worth considering. Especially when so many people are emotionally charged on the topic this will only add conflict and frustration.
I have learned to calm this frustration by using the word "creator" as opposed to "god" when trying to help people understand my stance on being agnostic.
Apples to oranges because we have known, finite parameters for human height. What are the parameters for where a god might choose to live, or for what form he/she/it might take, or for what abilities he/she/it might have?
Nah. All guys named Frank are limited to around 6'6". Thus sayeth the Lord.Could a god not make a giant Frank?
Nah. All guys named Frank are limited to around 6'6". Thus sayeth the Lord.
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