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Atheism has any value in terms of humanism ?

pinqy said:
How do you figure? If your particular beliefs are wrong then whatever god does exist would punish you equally with the atheist.
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Now that is a leap of faith. ;)
Good luck.
 
zyzygy said:
There's not much of a risk. Thousands of years have gone by and there is still not a shred of proof that demonstrates the existence of any god. That is not a matter of faith, just common sense.
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To my knowledge thousands of years is rather a conservative estimate. But it might be less than surprising, if some somebody has the wearwithall to slap together the universe and all, if they had the patience of Job.
 
I have no idea what this thread is about. I'm getting to an age where I have to attend the funerals of family, friends and acquaintances now and again. Because I live in a secular society where religion does not play a big part most of these funerals take place at the Humanistic crematorium. That is because the deceased was an atheist and did not want a religious funeral. Asking if atheism has any value in terms of humanism seems like an odd question.
 
DDD said:
Sure,

My position was and still is that Atheism is about no faith in religion. Yes it may be more precise to emphasize that I was not pointing that Atheism is lack of faith in religion, but I allowed context to fill in that gap.

The issue of crystals and other faith believed issues, and how atheism does not applies there but applies in religion to me seems like slicing hair and redundant emphasis under these circumstances.
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How do you explain atheist Buddhists, atheist Jains, atheist Shintoists?
 
pinqy said:
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you think is a leap of faith or gave a wink.
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I didn't get it either. You asked if believing in the wrong god would have serious consequences. That requires no leap of faith on your part.
 
pinqy said:
No, you're not, or you would have explained what you meant.
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The leap of faith is that you make assumptions and believe that reduces yoyour risk.
 
joG said:
The leap of faith is that you make assumptions and believe that reduces yoyour risk.
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Huh? I've made no assumptions that I believe reduces my risk. Where'd you get that? My observation was that believing doesn't reduce the supposed risk, because you could be believing wrong.
 
RogueWarrior said:
then how do you explain theist Buddhists?

theism/atheism are independent of religion.
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A theist Buddhist believes in God as described from the religion of Buddhists. So to what degree is one a Buddhist if they are atheists and thus do not believe in the God mentioned in their religion?

Theist/atheism have to do with the belief of God. Not crystals or other issues as mentioned before. At least that is the definition presented here:

Theist | Define Theist at Dictionary.com
 
DDD said:
A theist Buddhist believes in God as described from the religion of Buddhists. So to what degree is one a Buddhist if they are atheists and thus do not believe in the God mentioned in their religion?

Theist/atheism have to do with the belief of God. Not crystals or other issues as mentioned before. At least that is the definition presented here:

Theist | Define Theist at Dictionary.com
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Waay back on page 1, you said atheism is having no faith. If you meant this only with respect to a belief in a god, then fine. If you meant atheists can't have faith in general, then you are wrong.

Atheists can have faith about other supernatural phenomena like ghosts, crystals etc.
 
DDD said:
No, why? They believe in Krisna God or whatever.
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Are they going to hell because they believe in the wrong god? There is one Christian here who believes that.
 
joG said:
Eternal damnatiin, if the others got it right. Wouldn't that be sad.
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This is all academic. There exists no evidence of the existence of hell or any god.
 
joG said:
Eternal damnatiin, if the others got it right. Wouldn't that be sad.
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Pascal's wager.. what a crock. There is no way for me to "force" belief in something that I find implausible to begin with. I cannot consciously turn belief "on" while maintaining sincerity to myself. Pascals wager is asking me to lie and deceive myself to place a bet. Then there are thousands and thousands of branches of christianity alone that say their way is the right way and all the others are incorrect. What a fools wager.

Then again eternal anything whether it is salvation or damnation sounds horrific to me, after a million, billion or trillion years with no way to exit I imagine I would be quite tortured by the concept of "basking in ones glory" and that would become hell in and of itself.
 
marduc said:
Pascal's wager.. what a crock. There is no way for me to "force" belief in something that I find implausible to begin with. I cannot consciously turn belief "on" while maintaining sincerity to myself. Pascals wager is asking me to lie and deceive myself to place a bet. Then there are thousands and thousands of branches of christianity alone that say their way is the right way and all the others are incorrect. What a fools wager.

Then again eternal anything whether it is salvation or damnation sounds horrific to me, after a million, billion or trillion years with no way to exit I imagine I would be quite tortured by the concept of "basking in ones glory" and that would become hell in and of itself.
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It is certainly "crock" bevor one thinks about it, is lying to oneself or some such. ;)
 
joG said:
Eternal damnatiin, if the others got it right. Wouldn't that be sad.
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Sure but everyone faces that risk, not just atheists. Picking the wrong god is no better than picking no god.
 
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