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Atheism end game

Blackdog said:
There is only one God, and he is the God of Israel.

Considering Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same God, and I doubt God has a religion, either way I am all good.
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it's the same god... except for all those differences. Just like me and you are the same person except for all our differences, right?
 
Blackdog said:
There is only one God, and he is the God of Israel.

Considering Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the same God, and I doubt God has a religion, either way I am all good.
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It's kinda the same base god, but the actions derived from the various practices are very different.
 
All of this clearly reaffirms my decision to die valiantly in battle and sit at Odin's table in Valhalla. It's just as reasonable or likely as any other superstition.
 
scourge99 said:
All the faith in the world won't make one iota of difference as to whether the belief is true or false.
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You continue to seek only truth through scientific evidence. I will continue to seek divine providence and we'll both be happy. My faith makes more than an iota of difference to me, and in the end, that's all that really matters.....to me.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You continue to seek only truth through scientific evidence. I will continue to seek divine providence and we'll both be happy. My faith makes more than an iota of difference to me, and in the end, that's all that really matters.....to me.
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But answer me this, could all the faith and belief of all the people in the world change the fact of any matter?

Can any number of people believe stone to nourish enough to stomach it?
 
Lachean said:
But answer me this, could all the faith and belief of all the people in the world change the fact of any matter?

Can any number of people believe stone to nourish enough to stomach it?
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I'm not sure. But is science yet able to prove an unrestricted negative? Until that occurs, I will continue to have faith in the presence of my God. :shrug:
 
Whatever happened to the "riksfolly . . . the gift that keeps on giving" sentiment?
 
scourge99 said:
it's the same god... except for all those differences. Just like me and you are the same person except for all our differences, right?
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The road you travel makes no difference if you wind up in the same place.
 
FluffyNinja said:
You continue to seek only truth through scientific evidence.
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Correction. I seek truth by ANY means that can be shown as RELIABLE. I have no affinity toward the scientific method EXCEPT for that reason.

I make no claim that others methods or means to discover truth is not possible. I ONLY ask that if someone does claim to be in possession of such a method that they DEMONSTRATE they are correct. Do you claim to possess such a method AND to demonstrate it reliability?


FluffyNinja said:
I will continue to seek divine providence and we'll both be happy.
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Its your life. I just hope you don't start attempting to pass laws or violate the secular rights of others because you think your God wishes otherwise.

FluffyNinja said:
My faith makes more than an iota of difference to me, and in the end, that's all that really matters.....to me.
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I am very much aware that YOUR faith, YOUR god, and YOUR afterlife is all about YOU. All about YOU getting into an afterlife. All about YOU feeling better and comforted.

Make no mistake. Its very clear that your religious beliefs are all about YOU and not about what is REAL.
 
Blackdog said:
The road you travel makes no difference if you wind up in the same place.
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Muslims believe the Christian road ends in hell. Jews have varying beliefs on if there is a heaven and hell and what occurs there.

So apparently none of the roads end in the same place even if they do cross paths.
 
FluffyNinja said:
I'm not sure. But is science yet able to prove an unrestricted negative? Until that occurs, I will continue to have faith in the presence of my God. :shrug:
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Translation: Absolutely nothing will or could ever change my mind.
 
Blackdog said:
In the end if my faith is proved wrong it will mean nothing as I still lead a good life and it was one heck of a ride. If in the end my faith is justified, same thing but even better.
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You just waste a huge portion of your life on meaningless exercises, give money to a corrupt religious institution, etc. Nice attempt at Pascal's Wager, but it's hopelessly fallacious.
 
scourge99 said:
Translation: Absolutely nothing will or could ever change my mind.
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Which marks the crossing of the line between reasonable individual and fanatic.
 
scourge99 said:
Muslims believe the Christian road ends in hell.
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Some do as well as some Christians. In truth the holy books say God is the final judge no matter what we think.

scourge99 said:
Jews have varying beliefs on if there is a heaven and hell and what occurs there.
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So what?

scourge99 said:
So apparently none of the roads end in the same place even if they do cross paths.
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Again in all cases God will judge. So you still end up in the same place, before the same God.
 
Cephus said:
You just waste a huge portion of your life on meaningless exercises, give money to a corrupt religious institution, etc. Nice attempt at Pascal's Wager, but it's hopelessly fallacious.
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Wow! You assume quite allot for someone that does not know me from Adam? You have no idea what I do with my time or where my money goes. You have no idea if my church is corrupt or not.

So as soon as you have the power to at least read my mind, your comment is nothing but bigoted ranting at best.
 
Cephus said:
Which marks the crossing of the line between reasonable individual and fanatic.
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No. Again with bad assumptions and blanket statements ment to do nothing more than insult.
 
Blackdog said:
Some do as well as some Christians. In truth the holy books say God is the final judge no matter what we think.
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So then the muslim god is a DIFFERENT than the Christian god since they judge on completely different criteria. They are NOT the same God despite your previous claim that they are.


Blackdog said:
So what?
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Then the Jewish god is DIFFERENT than the Christian god since they judge on completely different criteria assuming the Jewish god even judges at all which some jews do not believe. They are NOT the same God despite your previous claim that they are.



Blackdog said:
Again in all cases God will judge. So you still end up in the same place, before the same God.
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Wrong. Jews have a very different understanding of the afterlife and do not fully agree that there even is one!

And Muslims and Christians have varying beliefs on how one gets into an afterlife and what goes on there.

Thus, the muslim,jewish, christian god are NOT the same god despite your previous claim that they are.

Furthermore, do not be so foolish as to assume that Jews and Muslims understand the old Testament as Christians do. If you ever talk to a Jew you'll find out how VERY different their understanding of God and scripture is even if you entirely ignore the New testament and Jesus. It is a MYTH that Christianity is merely an additional book on top of Jewish beliefs. Christians have a RADICALLY differing take on the OT.
 
Blackdog said:
So as soon as you have the power to at least read my mind, your comment is nothing but bigoted ranting at best.
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:roll:

Whatever you say.
 
It might not be possible to disprove the existence of a God (or Gods) but many religions make specific claims that are falsifiable. That's why I'm re-exploring religion as I realized how poorly I understood the bible, and trying to take a more rational approach to it (I was an evangelical Christian).
 

Be sure to seek opinions and perspectives OUTSIDE your own church and religion.

I reminded of a quote that goes something like: "if you want to know what's wrong with your religion, ask someone who isn't a part of it."
 
Atheism end game? One pleasant thought emerges.

If the atheists are right, there'll be no opportunity for them to gloat.

Thank God
 
Tashah said:
Atheism end game? One pleasant thought emerges.

If the atheists are right, there'll be no opportunity for them to gloat.

Thank God
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Why do you assume that all atheists believe there is no afterlife?
 
scourge99 said:
So then the muslim god is a DIFFERENT than the Christian god since they judge on completely different criteria. They are NOT the same God despite your previous claim that they are.
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I guess you don't understand the basic Tennant's of each faith? You are confusing judgment with salvation.

scourge99 said:
Then the Jewish god is DIFFERENT than the Christian god since they judge on completely different criteria assuming the Jewish god even judges at all which some jews do not believe. They are NOT the same God despite your previous claim that they are.
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They are the same God, thats why the Torah is part of the Bible. To claim they are not is just ridicules and reaching.


Yes they are...

They are all the same God from the Torah, period. What we think after that does not change this FACT. See, I can type in all caps too. :lol:


So what? It has nothing to do with the fact it is that same God and we will all be judged by the same God.

This is a fact. eace
 
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