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ATF needs suppressors for “health and safety”

JMB1911A1 said:
Well, proud enough of what they did that multiple agents had photos taken in the wreckage.

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Here is a collage of multiple agents around a dead body. Very disturbing so I’ll just post the link.
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It's really ****ed up when you realize these were just defenseless people
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's really ****ed up when you realize these were just defenseless people
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And the local sheriff advised the ATF that David Koresh came into town every week and could have been apprehended in a public place.

Exactly the same mentality that the ATF showed with Brian Malinowski. They wanted to go in there hard to show people how “tough” they are.

ATF “operators” only get two WEEKS training compared to months for other agencies and services. So they are always trying to prove how tough they are.

www.ammoland.com

ATF’s Poorly Trained ‘Operators’ are a Threat to Public Safety

Training for ATF’s Special Response Teams takes only two weeks, and ATF agents call themselves “operators” after they’ve completed the course.
www.ammoland.com www.ammoland.com
 
JMB1911A1 said:
And the local sheriff advised the ATF that David Koresh came into town every week and could have been apprehended in a public place.

Exactly the same mentality that the ATF showed with Brian Malinowski. They wanted to go in there hard to show people how “tough” they are.

ATF “operators” only get two WEEKS training compared to months for other agencies and services. So they are always trying to prove how tough they are.

www.ammoland.com

ATF’s Poorly Trained ‘Operators’ are a Threat to Public Safety

Training for ATF’s Special Response Teams takes only two weeks, and ATF agents call themselves “operators” after they’ve completed the course.
www.ammoland.com www.ammoland.com
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That's not Ruby ridge is it?
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's not Ruby ridge is it?
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Malinowski was the director of the airport in Arkansas. Instead of just asking him to turn himself in or question him at work, the ATF excited a no-knock pre-dawn raid on his house and murdered him.

His alleged crime. Selling guns from his personal collection. Remember, the Biden ATF made it a crime to sell even one gun without an FFL even if you don’t make a profit.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's not Ruby ridge is it?
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Ruby Ridge was the guy who sawed a shotgun down to 18” vice 18.5”. The ATF killed his dog, shot his son in the back, and killed his wife and the baby in her arms.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Ruby Ridge was the guy who sawed a shotgun down to 18” vice 18.5”. The ATF killed his dog, shot his son in the back, and killed his wife and the baby in her arms.
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I thought the baby survived, but his wife was shot by a sniper while holding the baby in her arms.
 
RF667799 said:
I thought the baby survived, but his wife was shot by a sniper while holding the baby in her arms.
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I think you are correct. The ATF has continually shown themselves to be a bunch of undisciplined buffoons.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Ruby Ridge was the guy who sawed a shotgun down to 18” vice 18.5”. The ATF killed his dog, shot his son in the back, and killed his wife and the baby in her arms.
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I thought it was a CIA agent that killed the wife and baby but in cahoots with the ATF. I'll have to read about the other one.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I thought it was a CIA agent that killed the wife and baby but in cahoots with the ATF. I'll have to read about the other one.
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No it was a FBI HRT sniper.
The whole thing was a pretty big **** up and definitely should have ended with heads rolling at the FBI and ATF at a minimum.

Unfortunately that did not happen.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Ruby Ridge was the guy who sawed a shotgun down to 18” vice 18.5”. The ATF killed his dog, shot his son in the back, and killed his wife and the baby in her arms.
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No. The U.S. Marshall Service was responsible for the first encounter and lost one of their own.
During a surveillance operation, officer Art Roderick shot Weaver's dog when it ran at them and then pointed his rifle at Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, who was armed. Samuel fired back at the marshals, and was shot in the back and killed by the team. In the ensuing exchange of fire, Weaver's friend Kevin Harris shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan Jr. (Wiki)
An FBI sniper was responsible for the accidental killing of Weaver's wife.
No baby was killed during the Ruby Ridge standoff. While the standoff resulted in the deaths of several people, including Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a family dog, there was no baby involved. (Google Ai)
No need to tell blantant lies when the facts are readily available.
 
poppopfox said:
No. The U.S. Marshall Service was responsible for the first encounter and lost one of their own.
During a surveillance operation, officer Art Roderick shot Weaver's dog when it ran at them and then pointed his rifle at Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, who was armed. Samuel fired back at the marshals, and was shot in the back and killed by the team. In the ensuing exchange of fire, Weaver's friend Kevin Harris shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan Jr. (Wiki)
An FBI sniper was responsible for the accidental killing of Weaver's wife.
No baby was killed during the Ruby Ridge standoff. While the standoff resulted in the deaths of several people, including Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a family dog, there was no baby involved. (Google Ai)
No need to tell blantant lies when the facts are readily available.
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This is one of the incidents that prompted you to purchase a modified Chinese military rifle, isn't it?
 
poppopfox said:
No. The U.S. Marshall Service was responsible for the first encounter and lost one of their own.
During a surveillance operation, officer Art Roderick shot Weaver's dog when it ran at them and then pointed his rifle at Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, who was armed. Samuel fired back at the marshals, and was shot in the back and killed by the team. In the ensuing exchange of fire, Weaver's friend Kevin Harris shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan Jr. (Wiki)
An FBI sniper was responsible for the accidental killing of Weaver's wife.
No baby was killed during the Ruby Ridge standoff. While the standoff resulted in the deaths of several people, including Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a family dog, there was no baby involved. (Google Ai)
No need to tell blantant lies when the facts are readily available.
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Not a “blatant lie”, just going off memory vice Google.

All that death over 1/2” of barrel length. I am sure you approved of the dog being killed.

Was that when you decided to modify your Chinese military rifle with “high capacity” magazines?
 
poppopfox said:
No. The U.S. Marshall Service was responsible for the first encounter and lost one of their own.
During a surveillance operation, officer Art Roderick shot Weaver's dog when it ran at them and then pointed his rifle at Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, who was armed. Samuel fired back at the marshals, and was shot in the back and killed by the team. In the ensuing exchange of fire, Weaver's friend Kevin Harris shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan Jr. (Wiki)
An FBI sniper was responsible for the accidental killing of Weaver's wife.
No baby was killed during the Ruby Ridge standoff. While the standoff resulted in the deaths of several people, including Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a family dog, there was no baby involved. (Google Ai)
No need to tell blantant lies when the facts are readily available.
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You also missed some other pertinent info:

“Harris and Weaver were acquitted of all the siege-related charges, and Weaver was only found guilty of violating his bail terms and of failing to appear for a court hearing, both related to the original federal firearms charges.”

“Fred Lanceley, the FBI Hostage Negotiator at Ruby Ridge, was "surprised and shocked" at the ROE, the most severe rules he had heard in more than 300 hostage situations. He later characterized the ROE as being inconsistent with standard policy. The 1996 Senate report criticized the ROE as "virtual shoot-on-sight orders."”

Do you like the government having “shoot-on-sight” orders?
 
poppopfox said:
Wasn't pertinent to your lies about the ATF being involved in the killings.
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The ATF was involved since they were the ones that had a hardon about the 1/2” of barrel length.
poppopfox said:
Also not pertinent. Were you not taught to follow orders in the Navy?
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Lawful orders. “Shoot on sight” when not in combat are not lawful. Didn’t they teach you about lawful orders in the Air Force?
 
JMB1911A1 said:
The ATF was involved since they were the ones that had a hardon about the 1/2” of barrel length.

Lawful orders. “Shoot on sight” when not in combat are not lawful. Didn’t they teach you about lawful orders in the Air Force?
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He was allowed to shoot on sight, since his shooting was done with a camera.
 
poppopfox said:
No. The U.S. Marshall Service was responsible for the first encounter and lost one of their own.
During a surveillance operation, officer Art Roderick shot Weaver's dog when it ran at them and then pointed his rifle at Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, who was armed. Samuel fired back at the marshals, and was shot in the back and killed by the team.
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They were there pointing guns at people and shooting dogs because they didn't like that this family was doing something that they had the right to do.
poppopfox said:
In the ensuing exchange of fire, Weaver's friend Kevin Harris shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Francis Degan Jr. (Wiki)
An FBI sniper was responsible for the accidental killing of Weaver's wife.
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You don't shoot a gun at someone accidentally. That's intentional in the intention was to kill people if it wasn't they wouldn't have had them there in the first place.
poppopfox said:
No baby was killed during the Ruby Ridge standoff. While the standoff resulted in the deaths of several people, including Randy Weaver's wife and son, and a family dog, there was no baby involved. (Google Ai)
No need to tell blantant lies when the facts are readily available.
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Yes I remember hearing the baby survived but the mother died with the baby in her arms because the failure of a bunch of incompetent boobs trying to track down or fabricate up some illegal weapons transfers which shouldn't be a thing because again we have the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. The shooting happened because they thought this family incorrectly was involved with transfer weapons that they didn't get permission from some obscure entity of the government which they don't need to do in the first place.

They absolutely murdered these people on Ruby ridge without a doubt. It wasn't necessarily because of homicidal intent it was because of profound and competence and failure of the government to understand the rights of the people.

Every single person involved in this should have not only been fired immediately for incompetence resulting in homicide of citizens who had done nothing wrong but probably face criminal charges as well.
 
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