At least three Americans killed in attacks in Israel near Gaza border, according to memo

[Taylor]

What conditions were factually not followed?

The requirement that the two sides reach a negotiated settlement agreement.

 

[Cope]

Biden didn't change the deal. How it went down is attributed in large to human panic and interference from the Taliban, who were not a party to the deal. There was no way to control those things.

Good grief. Our conversation is at an end.
You evidently do not comprehend the written word.

You even quoted it! "I didn't say he changed the deal (just that he could have, and likely SHOULD have)"

 

[upsideguy]

I was referring to the irresponsible withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan, but you knew that.

Yes, and Trump and Biden share the credit and the blame for that, but you knew that (if you read anything objective on the subject).

PS - exiting a war zone when you lost the war is always messy. Remember Vietnam?

 

[anatta]

Rachel Corrie was killed by the IDF. You let that slide.

it was an accident. im sorry she was killed but protesting around demolition is not a good idea
Hamas slaughtered babies and women and children . dont even try to play a moral equivalent card

 

[devildavid]

The requirement that the two sides reach a negotiated settlement agreement.

There wouldn't have been agreement to begin with if they hadn't already negotiated a settlement.

 

[devildavid]

Good grief. Our conversation is at an end.
You evidently do not comprehend the written word.

You even quoted it! "I didn't say he changed the deal (just that he could have, and likely SHOULD have)"

No, he couldn't and shouldn't have because the deal was accepted by both sides and there was no need to change it.

 

[Taylor]

There wouldn't have been agreement to begin with if they hadn't already negotiated a settlement.

But there was.

 

[devildavid]

But there was.

Yes, there already was a negotiated settlement. There was no need for further negotiation.

 

[Linc]

how about airstrikes on Hezbollah or Quds in Syria or Lebanon?

GOPs are back to wanting to blow up the

 

[SMTA]

No, he actually sounds like one of those men who stand their ground when you **** with their family.

In this case, when you **** with an American, you **** with ALL Americans.
The bane of the US is going to be a soft, spoiled, scared generation, but here we are.

Bullshit.
The Saudis were deeply involved with supporting the 9/11 attacks, and nothing was ever done to them.

 

[anatta]

GOPs are back to wanting to blow up the

not the word/ just the actors I mentioned. At least Lebanon if not Syria as well
for ****s sake we have assets right in the area that could take out Hez positions in Lebanon right now
But Iran would get upset....they cant touch us though

 

[Taylor]

Yes, there already was a negotiated settlement.

Link?

There was no need for further negotiation.

This is wrong. You should do some basic reading on what you're trying to debate.

 

[devildavid]

Link?

This is wrong. You should do some basic reading on what you're trying to debate.

Where is your link? What have you read? Follow your own advice.

 

[Taylor]

Where is your link? What have you read? Follow your own advice.

Right here...

Was Biden handcuffed by Trump's Taliban deal in Doha?

President Joe Biden and his national security team say the Trump administration tied their hands when it came to the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

apnews.com

The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it...

...U.S. officials made clear at the time that the agreement was conditions-based and the failure of intra-Afghan peace talks to reach a negotiated settlement would have nullified the requirement to withdraw.

One day before the Doha deal, a top aide to chief U.S. negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad said the agreement was not irreversible, and “there is no obligation for the United States to withdraw troops if the Afghan parties are unable to reach agreement or if the Taliban show bad faith” during negotiations.

Those negotiations were intended to begin within a month of the deal being signed but were delayed amid disputes between the Taliban and the Afghan government over prisoner releases. Amid fits and starts, the negotiations had not produced any outcome by the time Biden announced his withdrawal decision in April. Nor have they done so since.

The conditions for the withdrawl were never met. Biden was not required to do anything. He chose to do that himself.

 

[devildavid]

Right here...

Was Biden handcuffed by Trump's Taliban deal in Doha?

President Joe Biden and his national security team say the Trump administration tied their hands when it came to the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan.

apnews.com

The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it...

...U.S. officials made clear at the time that the agreement was conditions-based and the failure of intra-Afghan peace talks to reach a negotiated settlement would have nullified the requirement to withdraw.

One day before the Doha deal, a top aide to chief U.S. negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad said the agreement was not irreversible, and “there is no obligation for the United States to withdraw troops if the Afghan parties are unable to reach agreement or if the Taliban show bad faith” during negotiations.

Those negotiations were intended to begin within a month of the deal being signed but were delayed amid disputes between the Taliban and the Afghan government over prisoner releases. Amid fits and starts, the negotiations had not produced any outcome by the time Biden announced his withdrawal decision in April. Nor have they done so since.

The conditions for the withdrawl were never met. Biden was not required to do anything. He chose to do that himself.

Thank you.

 

[Cope]

Thank you.

Does that change your stance?

 

[Cope]

Bullshit.
The Saudis were deeply involved with supporting the 9/11 attacks, and nothing was ever done to them.

So it is your stance that because someone got away with something once we can never hold another responsible for the things they do?

 

[SMTA]

So it is your stance that because someone got away with something once we can never hold another responsible for the things they do?

That was huge, far from trivial.
The US does a shitty job of protecting its citizens domestically or on foreign soil.

 

[Cope]

That was huge, far from trivial.
The US does a shitty job of protecting its citizens domestically or on foreign soil.

Huge or trivial, that is exactly what you just espoused.

 

[SMTA]

Huge or trivial, that is exactly what you just espoused.

Bullshit.
You trivialized 9/11.

 

[Cope]

Bullshit.
You trivialized 9/11.

I said nothing about 9/11. You brought it into a discussion that didn't have anything to do with that.

Trolling or simply off topic?

If you'd care to get back ON topic, we could productively discuss.

 

[SMTA]

I said nothing about 9/11. You brought it into a discussion that didn't have anything to do with that.

Trolling or simply off topic?

If you'd care to get back ON topic, we could productively discuss.

Your response was dismissive and pathetic.
Own it and stop backpedaling.

 

[Cope]

Your response was dismissive and pathetic.
Own it and stop backpedaling.

It is dismissive of the off topic comments.

So again I ask, want to talk about the topic?

 

[devildavid]

Does that change your stance?

Yes, this deal could have been played around with and attempts could have been made to alter it. But the linked article didn’t provide much hope that any progress would be made in that regard. The US really didn’t have much leverage in the negotiations, and maybe shouldn't have signed off on an imperfect deal. But the alternative was still an endless occupation and the failure of the US supported Afghan government to ever own the process and demonstrate that they could stand on their own. Their immediate collapse shows that. It was a mess of an occupation that ended in a mess of a withdrawal. But I still support the withdrawal, as there was no realistic better alternative.

 

[SMTA]

It is dismissive of the off topic comments.

So again I ask, want to talk about the topic?

Answered.
Learn to read English properly.