At least 32 Palestinians killed in Gaza as IDF fires on crowds seeking food

[Cosmo]

Make some sense man. Explain it to me.

Or just run away with your tail tucked.

If someone was displaced from where they lived, then they didn't "always" live there. Not a hard concept, but I imagine even pictures won't help you.

 

[uptower]

If someone was displaced from where they lived, then they didn't "always" live there. Not a hard concept, but I imagine even pictures won't help you.

Do you going you're being smart? This is not reasoning or logic. It is a semantic game. .

The Palestinians have lived in the region for centuries, possibly millenia counting tribal ancestors. Since 1949 they have been subject to displacement. Thus they have until thd tenant conflict, always lived there.

Now is this a discussion about the strict meaning of the word "always" or do you have an opinion on the topic?

Cut the sophomoric nonsense and bring something concrete to the table.

 

[Cosmo]

Do you going you're being smart? This is not reasoning or logic. It is a semantic game. .

The Palestinians have lived in the region for centuries,

Tough shit. That's not how national borders are determined.

possibly millenia counting tribal ancestors. Since 1949 they have been subject to displacement. Thus they have until thd tenant conflict, always lived there.

Now is this a discussion about the strict meaning of the word "always" or do you have an opinion on the topic?

Cut the sophomoric nonsense and bring something concrete to the table.

 

[uptower]

Tough shit. That's not how national borders are determined.

Unfortunately neither is conquest anymore. Israel got in just before the UN made that illegal. Every expansion it has made since then has been against international law.

And "tough shit" hasn't worked. It's why the conflict has never ended.

 

[Cosmo]

Unfortunately neither is conquest anymore. Israel got in just before the UN made that illegal. Every expansion it has made since then has been against international law.

And "tough shit" hasn't worked. It's why the conflict has never ended.

The story is pretty simple generally speaking: Britain gave the territory to Jews and Arabs, but the Arabs rejected the deal, went to war, and lost. Whether some arbitrary group labeled "Palestinians" lived there "always" (but not "always" as you admitted) is irrelevant.

 

[uptower]

The story is pretty simple generally speaking: Britain gave the territory to Jews and Arabs, but the Arabs rejected the deal, went to war, and lost. Whether some arbitrary group labeled "Palestinians" lived there "always" (but not "always" as you admitted) is irrelevant.

No it's not irrelevant. Especially not any continued displacements since 1967. This forced removal is why the conflict continues. It is front and center.

 

[Cosmo]

No it's not irrelevant. Especially not any continued displacements since 1967. This forced removal is why the conflict continues. It is front and center.

IDF's withdrawal in 2005 only made Gaza shoot rockets at Israel, so no, you are demonstrably wrong.

 

[Apocalypse]

DNA evidence suggests otherwise. They conquered, intermarried and encouraged - sometimes coerced - locals into changing their religion. But those locals were always there.

The spread of Islam was a story of conquest and subjugation, not as much about migration: Although undoubtedly some occured, it's just Israel's recent excuse to expell Palestinians.

They are Arabs from Arabia, arriving during the Arab conquests. All of the Arabs are originally from the Arabian Peninsula.
For someone who doesn't know a thing about this region (like many others from your area) you sure speak a lot about it.

 

[uptower]

They are Arabs from Arabia, arriving during the Arab conquests. All of the Arabs are originally from the Arabian Peninsula.
For someone who doesn't know a thing about this region (like many others from your area) you sure speak a lot about it.

Let me guess, just check the phonebook? Heard this one before.

 

[uptower]

They are Arabs from Arabia, arriving during the Arab conquests. All of the Arabs are originally from the Arabian Peninsula.
For someone who doesn't know a thing about this region (like many others from your area) you sure speak a lot about it.

"Genetic studies indicate a genetic affinity between Palestinians and other Levantine populations, as well as other Arab and Semitic groups in the Middle East and North Africa.[8][9] Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[a] "

Palestine | History, People, Conflict, & Religion | Britannica

Palestine is the area of the eastern Mediterranean region comprising parts of modern Israel along with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The strategic importance of the area is immense: through it pass the main roads from Egypt to Syria and from the Mediterranean to the hills beyond the Jordan...

www.britannica.com

 

[Apocalypse]

"Genetic studies indicate a genetic affinity between Palestinians and other Levantine populations, as well as other Arab and Semitic groups in the Middle East and North Africa.[8][9] Historical records and later genetic studies indicate that the Palestinian people descend mostly from Ancient Levantines extending back to Bronze Age inhabitants of Levant.[a] "

Palestine | History, People, Conflict, & Religion | Britannica

Palestine is the area of the eastern Mediterranean region comprising parts of modern Israel along with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The strategic importance of the area is immense: through it pass the main roads from Egypt to Syria and from the Mediterranean to the hills beyond the Jordan...

www.britannica.com

Arabs are from Arabia, if they are ethnically Arab (and not Arabized like people in certain African nations were during Muslim conquests), then they are from the Arabian Peninsula. Like ethnically Jews are from Judea and ethnically Japanese from Japan.
What you're referring to is a study (small one) that was concluding there is a genetic affinity to other people of the Levant, which makes sense since Arabs did marry non-Arabs and the entire genetic mixture of the region has changed a lot during the centuries mixing the various populations of the region together. Just like the French and the German share a lot of their genetic ancestry together for example. It's a silly argument to claim that these specific Arabs represent the same people who were in this specific area of the region thousands of years ago.

Let me guess, just check the phonebook? Heard this one before.

Ok.

 

[uptower]

Arabs are from Arabia, if they are ethnically Arab (and not Arabized like people in certain African nations were during Muslim conquests), then they are from the Arabian Peninsula. Like ethnically Jews are from Judea and ethnically Japanese from Japan.
What you're referring to is a study (small one) that was concluding there is a genetic affinity to other people of the Levant, which makes sense since Arabs did marry non-Arabs and the entire genetic mixture of the region has changed a lot during the centuries mixing the various populations of the region together. Just like the French and the German share a lot of their genetic ancestry together for example. It's a silly argument to claim that these specific Arabs represent the same people who were in this specific area of the region thousands of years ago.

Ok.

As you've said right here: Intermarriage, mixing populations. They've always been there, as one tribe or another.

Yes the Palestinians are considered Arabs now because they adopted their language and religion in the middle ages. But they always lived up and down that coast. Some of their ancestors would have been Judeans, Samaritans, Canaanites, Philistines etc before Muslim expansion. Just because they've come to identify as a distinct and local ethnic group (palestinians) in more recent centuries doesn't mean they have to leave.

The world is looking for a two-state solution because both tribes have a fair claim to live there, but sadly don't wish to live together. It's not that one side or the other must have it all and the loser has to leave.

 

[Apocalypse]

As you've said right here: Intermarriage, mixing populations. They've always been there, as one tribe or another.

Yes the Palestinians are considered Arabs now because they adopted their language and religion in the middle ages. But they always lived up and down that coast. Some of their ancestors would have been Judeans, Samaritans, Canaanites, Philistines etc before Muslim expansion. Just because they've come to identify as a distinct and local ethnic group (palestinians) in more recent centuries doesn't mean they have to leave.

The world is looking for a two-state solution because both tribes have a fair claim to live there, but sadly don't wish to live together. It's not that one side or the other must have it all and the loser has to leave.

Arabs have intermarried and the genetics have mixed but you're doing quite the mixture yourself, as the issue is separate to determining whether Arabs are originally from Arabia (/ The Arabian Peninsula) or not.

I also noticed you said Palestinian Arabs are an Arabized population ("adopted language", "adopted culture", etc.) which isn't true. Unlike Arabized populations in Africa and elsewhere, these are ethnically Arabs, not Arabized.