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Assuming the World Trade Center was a CD, how was it done? [W:65]

So you don't know, just conjecturing. That's what I thought.

No a nuclear event would leave very noticible and obvious evidence behind. Since there is none then there was no nuclear event.
HD however with no evidence at all is convinced there was nukes, that is conjecture.
 
What we know, anybody who is paying attention, is that tactical nuclear devices were employed to bring down the towers. The mechanisms for controlled demolition most likely were both nuclear and conventional.

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No a nuclear event would leave very noticible and obvious evidence behind. Since there is none then there was no nuclear event.
HD however with no evidence at all is convinced there was nukes, that is conjecture.

It's all conjecture, period. Next.
 
No wonder the OP's premise is bunk, the OP is FUBAR and does not even know his premise is his thread.
 
No wonder the OP's premise is bunk, the OP is FUBAR and does not even know his premise is his thread.

Since there is no danger of you enlightening us as to what is FUBAR about the OP please go away.
 
Does thou wish to know?
 
No wonder the OP's premise is bunk, the OP is FUBAR and does not even know his premise is his thread.

Well, please.

By all means.

Tell us. With the assumption the World Trade Center was a CD, how was it done?

Thermite? Thermate? Nano-thermite? Conventional explosives? Nukes? Mini-nukes?

Lay aside the OP.

IF the the World Trade Center was a CD, how was it done?
 
So a second-to-second play-by-play is wanted on this but one cannot be delivered for NIST's version, yet wholehearted and without a doubt belief is bestowed upon the incomplete NIST version of events by so many "personalities" located within this forum.

What a remarkable way to live one's life though. "What did you do today?" - "I did not ask a question all day about the government." - "What's tomorrow's forecast?" - "Sunny and without a chance of questioning."

No real person does that, especially after their belief system has been legitimately challenged by verifiable evidence and facts. There are only a few conditions that I can think of that has such rigid unwavering support of a belief system in spite of reality staring them in the eyes.
 
So a second-to-second play-by-play is wanted on this but one cannot be delivered for NIST's version, yet wholehearted and without a doubt belief is bestowed upon the incomplete NIST version of events by so many "personalities" located within this forum.

What a remarkable way to live one's life though. "What did you do today?" - "I did not ask a question all day about the government." - "What's tomorrow's forecast?" - "Sunny and without a chance of questioning."

No real person does that, especially after their belief system has been legitimately challenged by verifiable evidence and facts. There are only a few conditions that I can think of that has such rigid unwavering support of a belief system in spite of reality staring them in the eyes.

Like I said, if you have as usual nothing useful to contribute, go find somewhere else to play.
 
So a second-to-second play-by-play is wanted on this but one cannot be delivered for NIST's version, yet wholehearted and without a doubt belief is bestowed upon the incomplete NIST version of events by so many "personalities" located within this forum.

What a remarkable way to live one's life though. "What did you do today?" - "I did not ask a question all day about the government." - "What's tomorrow's forecast?" - "Sunny and without a chance of questioning."

No real person does that, especially after their belief system has been legitimately challenged by verifiable evidence and facts. There are only a few conditions that I can think of that has such rigid unwavering support of a belief system in spite of reality staring them in the eyes.

So... Given the evidence.

What do YOU believe happened?
 
It's all conjecture, period. Next.

No that would be claims of nukes or CD or holograms or whatever other nonsense truthers throw out there hoping against hope that something sticks.

If you had evidence of any of your CT's you would have posted it by now. Since you haven't EVERYTHING you claim remains nothing but conjecture.

NEXT.
 
So a second-to-second play-by-play is wanted on this but one cannot be delivered for NIST's version, yet wholehearted and without a doubt belief is bestowed upon the incomplete NIST version of events by so many "personalities" located within this forum.

What a remarkable way to live one's life though. "What did you do today?" - "I did not ask a question all day about the government." - "What's tomorrow's forecast?" - "Sunny and without a chance of questioning."

No real person does that, especially after their belief system has been legitimately challenged by verifiable evidence and facts. There are only a few conditions that I can think of that has such rigid unwavering support of a belief system in spite of reality staring them in the eyes.

What are your actual objections?
 
So a second-to-second play-by-play is wanted on this but one cannot be delivered for NIST's version, yet wholehearted and without a doubt belief is bestowed upon the incomplete NIST version of events by so many "personalities" located within this forum.

What a remarkable way to live one's life though. "What did you do today?" - "I did not ask a question all day about the government." - "What's tomorrow's forecast?" - "Sunny and without a chance of questioning."

No real person does that, especially after their belief system has been legitimately challenged by verifiable evidence and facts. There are only a few conditions that I can think of that has such rigid unwavering support of a belief system in spite of reality staring them in the eyes.

So... Nothing to add.

Got it.
 
To try and get a better understanding of why some folks here believe 9/11 was an inside job I recently asked a few very basic questions that I figured anyone who holds such beliefs should be able to answer.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-flag-would-real-terror-attack-look-like.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/184071-why-blow-up-world-trade-center.html

Turns out I was wrong so lets just move along then shall we?

You always come up with faulty premises and expect answers that fit within your flawed premise... This one is no exception.

Leaving behind the un-answered question as to why, what I am interested in now is specifically how the demolition of the WTC towers - North, South and 7 if you are into that - was done. I am not interested in the usual vague generalities here (Henry, I'm looking at you). One must be very specific and be able to support whatever conclusions they present. There has so far as I know not been any comprehensive, plausible hypothesis put forward that meets the very basic criteria based upon the situation and I would like to see that change. Those criteria include (but are probably not limited too);

You see, we don't have full knowledge, the insides of the buildings cannot be seen, so, you are asking for specific knowledge on what is by nature going to require speculation.

This is a tactic you do so that at the first whiff of speculation you can jump in with a "gotcha".


1) The demolition device(s) have to be able to withstand the impacts witnessed.

Not really... The columns severed by the planes did not require the devices to remain intact.

2) After surviving the impacts the demolition devices and their detonators must be able to withstand the fires witnessed for the entire time period between impact/fire initiation and collapse.

If we are assuming RDX. Thermitic devices are not so easily ignited.

Also, devices can be placed in areas that would not be so easily affected by flames.


3) The installation of the devices and whatever it was that protected them from impact/fire must not be noticeable by a casual observer familiar with the area, such as an office worker, janitorial services, etc.

Ceiling tiles, and drywall around columns can conceal a lot, and are not typically examined by office workers.

4) The installation of said devices can not have been witnessed by anyone.

Not REPORTED as being witnessed. A construction worker appearing to do construction work would not, on it's own, raise suspicions of any office workers.

5) Explain why were the devices were initiated 59 and 102 minutes after the impacts in the case of the Twin Towers, 7 hours later in the case of 7 WTC.

If the plan, from the beginning, was to determine a fire induced collapse, it requires a timeframe to allow the flames to do damage.


6) If high explosives were used why wasn't all of lower Manhattan showered with lethal high-velocity shrapnel from the explosions? Why was no one outside the immediate collapse zone killed or injured by these inevitable projectiles? In known CD's fragments have been found up to a half-mile away and that from much shorter buildings.

Again, RDX is not the only way to take down a building.

7) Why has not a single piece of steel been found that shows the effects of explosives and/or thermal cutting devices?

If it's not looked for, then we should not be surprised when nothing is found.

8) Why were the explosives/thermal cutting devices even needed?

If the flames had gone out / not hot enough to cause failure, then it would be needed to initiate collapse... Especially necessary to get the collapse that was seen.

9) Why was no evidence for pre-planted demolition devices found at the site by the hundreds of people experienced in clearing demolition sites or by the bomb-sniffing dogs that poured over the site in the days after? If you are a fan of mini-nuke's where is the radiation one would expect of such a device?

Thermite is iron rust and aluminum, possibly with sulfur added to lower the melting temperature of the iron. Then a dog is useless.

Also, if materials are packaged in air tight and cleaned containers that were mislabeled as legitimate construction materials, it would also bypass a dogs scrutiny.

I happen to be aware that one of the ways that drugs get smuggled between Canada and the us is that the smugglers will build furniture with airtight and washed containers containing the drugs. An inspector would see the furniture matching the trucks manifest, and even if the dog is present, there is nothing left to smell. Once the delivery arrives, the furniture is dismantled to retrieve the containers.


10) If high explosives/mini nukes were used why was it so quiet?

So, anyone?

It was not quiet... The explosions have been caught on audio tapes, the most common one noticed is the final initiating explosion that occurs 1-1.5 seconds before collapse initiated, which shows in the video as the explosion syncing with the collapse of the towers.
 
Shills? LOL What a dumb accusation.

idiots.webp

The reality:

'I got nuthin'....SHILL!'

or

'I got p'wned.....must be a SHILL!'

FFS!

You people have absolutely no idea if someone is a shill or not, and the chances are you wouldn't recognise a real shill if you encountered one, therefore, it remains the refuge of the vacuous to resort to such a juvenile ad hominem.
 
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Not really... The columns severed by the planes did not require the devices to remain intact.

If we are assuming RDX. Thermitic devices are not so easily ignited.

That is an exceptionally narrow view of the damage created by the impacts AND subsequent fires.

Also, devices can be placed in areas that would not be so easily affected by flames.

Please elaborate - also detailing how they can survive impact, including the trigger mechanisms.

Ceiling tiles, and drywall around columns can conceal a lot, and are not typically examined by office workers.

But office workers tend to notice when their offices are torn down to the bare steel so it can be accessed for preperation. Hiding devices in ceiling tiles where they have no hope whatsoever of doing meaningful damage is perhaps the second dumbest idea in all of human history.

Not REPORTED as being witnessed. A construction worker appearing to do construction work would not, on it's own, raise suspicions of any office workers.

You are correct, reported is a better word. Hey, on what floors was all of this construction work done? When was it done? Who were the contractors? Precisely what work was performed that could provide a cover for the nefarious activity?

If the plan, from the beginning, was to determine a fire induced collapse, it requires a timeframe to allow the flames to do damage.

At what risk to the plot being discovered or failing for technical reasons?

Again, RDX is not the only way to take down a building.

Don't know why you keep artificially trying to narrow the focus. I have NEVER mentioned RDX.

If it's not looked for, then we should not be surprised when nothing is found.

But it was looked for, and not found. Next.

If the flames had gone out / not hot enough to cause failure, then it would be needed to initiate collapse... Especially necessary to get the collapse that was seen.

Problem is, collapse wasn't even remotely necessary for any conceivable plot to achieve its goals.

Thermite is iron rust and aluminum, possibly with sulfur added to lower the melting temperature of the iron. Then a dog is useless.

Also, if materials are packaged in air tight and cleaned containers that were mislabeled as legitimate construction materials, it would also bypass a dogs scrutiny.

I happen to be aware that one of the ways that drugs get smuggled between Canada and the us is that the smugglers will build furniture with airtight and washed containers containing the drugs. An inspector would see the furniture matching the trucks manifest, and even if the dog is present, there is nothing left to smell. Once the delivery arrives, the furniture is dismantled to retrieve the containers.

Then you need to create a prima facie case for the use of Super High Intensity Therm_te that doesn't rely completely on conjecture and wishful thinking.


It was not quiet... The explosions have been caught on audio tapes, the most common one noticed is the final initiating explosion that occurs 1-1.5 seconds before collapse initiated, which shows in the video as the explosion syncing with the collapse of the towers.

There are no recorded sounds consistent with the use of explosives - detail provided previously (and I should say at this point you really need to make up your mind between explosives and THEN you need to create a prima facie case for the use of Super High Intensity Therm_te instead of jumping back and forth whenever it is convenient for you).

So this brings us back to square one - create a detailed and plausible prima facie case for how CD could be done with not a single person getting wise, getting a guilty conscience or accidentally spilling the beans that matches ALL the available evidence. Never before in history has any CT been able to accomplish this task, so if you can do it you would be the first.
 
No that would be claims of nukes or CD or holograms or whatever other nonsense truthers throw out there hoping against hope that something sticks.

If you had evidence of any of your CT's you would have posted it by now. Since you haven't EVERYTHING you claim remains nothing but conjecture.

NEXT.

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/4xq88667

There was elevated tritium levels, among other residues that are consistent with a nuclear device, it seems to be called trace, even if it's around 50 times background levels.
 
...Leaving behind the un-answered question as to why, what I am interested in now is specifically how the demolition of the WTC towers - North, South and 7 if you are into that - was done. I am not interested in the usual vague generalities here (Henry, I'm looking at you). One must be very specific and be able to support whatever conclusions they present. There has so far as I know not been any comprehensive, plausible hypothesis put forward that meets the very basic criteria based upon the situation and I would like to see that change.
Mark I think your focus on the "How" risks missing a very important aspect. Whoever managed - planned and executed - your moot discussion scenario of CD has a serious career problem for the lead perpetrator. :doh

..and it matters not whether said "mastermind" was a US "inside jobber" OR an international terrorist OR a minion of the NWO. His (or her) career is finished, over, ended, ruined.

Anyone who could plan and execute such a scheme and not get caught is a seriously intelligent person.. Better even than me because I couldn't do it without getting caught.

But reality is that CD was not needed for the Twin Towers. Undeniable fact easily understood by competent engineers. Easily accepted by honest non- engineer types. In fact easily understood by anyone other than an unrepentant and obsessed truther.

CD wasn't needed.

Now look at the status of this mastermind who planned and executed the perfect undetectable CD and it was not needed.

His (her) own organisation would be aware of the expenditure of resources and the risks they carried whilst supporting him (her) for a job that wasn't needed. "I succeeded except...." is not marketable.

So he (she) no longer in high regard in the original organisation. Look for another job??? Wouldn't work.. wouldn't get to interview. The selection panel looking thorugh the CV's and culling those not suited would see
"Successfully did CD at WTC on 9/11" and would ROFLTA'sO." He (she) wouldn't even get the interview.

The historic example of such a failed person would have to be Guy Fawkes. He failed to blow up the English Houses of Parliament. And gets burned many times over in effigy on 5 November each year.

For failing.

I don't think US folks do "Guy Fawkes Bonfire Night" but whatever the equivalent annual ridicule is all the future holds for the person who tried to CD WTC and failed because the towers fell anyway.

A pariah in the trade of international terrorism. Outcast from the company of his (her) brothers (sisters). Some future.



PS - maybe he (she) could team up with the R Gates travelling circus "How I really did it even tho it was a waste of time." Gates et al would probably prune that title to the first 5 words.
 
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Mark I think your focus on the "How" risks missing a very important aspect. Whoever managed - planned and executed - your moot discussion scenario of CD has a serious career problem for the lead perpetrator. :doh

..and it matters not whether said "mastermind" was a US "inside jobber" OR an international terrorist OR a minion of the NWO. His (or her) career is finished, over, ended, ruined.

Lmao... How do you figure? Because you, as a law abiding person would have their career end?

Well, yes.., but it's not "minions" of the architects of the nwo that planned and executed 911 (even if there were no explosives there, which there were), it was the architects themselves.

These controllers believe that by creating enough chaos that they can build their order. It's the Hegelian dialectic, create a problem, manage the reaction to that problem, and offer their desired solution to that problem. Which is always to give more power and control to the state that was the cause of the problem.

Ex: FEMA did not have a desirable funding level, then Katrina happened, they ensured that the response was a failure. The people reacted by pointing out the failure, the solution... Give FEMA more funding.

Anyone who could plan and execute such a scheme and not get caught is a seriously intelligent person.. Better even than me because I couldn't do it without getting caught.

It's not about intelligence, it's about having the right people that vary between supporting your cause and simply desiring not to question because they prefer to keep that job.


But reality is that CD was not needed for the Twin Towers. Undeniable fact easily understood by competent engineers. Easily accepted by honest non- engineer types. In fact easily understood by anyone other than an unrepentant and obsessed truther.

CD wasn't needed.

Perhaps, but it was needed to make the towers collapse as they did.

Now look at the status of this mastermind who planned and executed the perfect undetectable CD and it was not needed.

His (her) own organisation would be aware of the expenditure of resources and the risks they carried whilst supporting him (her) for a job that wasn't needed. "I succeeded except...." is not marketable.

If it happened as you said, the person that failed would find themselves in a car accident, or would suicide themselves with 2 bullets to the back of the head.

However, it wasn't before 2003 before truthers really started getting vocal, before that, any mention of the idea of false flag was met with forceful opposition, if not open violence. That was in a time where the general public had no idea what a false flag (or other forms of gambit) could be used against them.

So he (she) no longer in high regard in the original organisation. Look for another job??? Wouldn't work.. wouldn't get to interview. The selection panel looking thorugh the CV's and culling those not suited would see
"Successfully did CD at WTC on 9/11" and would ROFLTA'sO." He (she) wouldn't even get the interview.

Again, this is under the presumption that many of these organizations operate on the same principles as the honest individual. The reality is that Fortune 500 companies operate as psychopathic entities, even though the individuals working at low levels only see the good that the company has done.

The historic example of such a failed person would have to be Guy Fawkes. He failed to blow up the English Houses of Parliament. And gets burned many times over in effigy on 5 November each year.

For failing.

I don't think US folks do "Guy Fawkes Bonfire Night" but whatever the equivalent annual ridicule is all the future holds for the person who tried to CD WTC and failed because the towers fell anyway.

A pariah in the trade of international terrorism. Outcast from the company of his (her) brothers (sisters). Some future.

That's because he was operating AGAINST the government... Which was the "world order" of the time.

If he was sanctioned by the king (queen) to blow up parliament as a justification to have the army target one of the neighbouring countries, then he would have been killed as a patsy and forgotten by history.
 
Mark I think your focus on the "How" risks missing a very important aspect. Whoever managed - planned and executed - your moot discussion scenario of CD has a serious career problem for the lead perpetrator. :doh

You are correct, that is a serious and recognized flaw but a deliberate one since experience tells me dust will settle on a thread pertaining to the WHO.

..and it matters not whether said "mastermind" was a US "inside jobber" OR an international terrorist OR a minion of the NWO. His (or her) career is finished, over, ended, ruined.

Anyone who could plan and execute such a scheme and not get caught is a seriously intelligent person.. Better even than me because I couldn't do it without getting caught.

But reality is that CD was not needed for the Twin Towers. Undeniable fact easily understood by competent engineers. Easily accepted by honest non- engineer types. In fact easily understood by anyone other than an unrepentant and obsessed truther.

CD wasn't needed.

Indeed. Nobody with at least half a working brain would attempt to pre-wire the Twin Towers (and/or Building 7) with any sort of devices.

1. It was not even remotely necessary for any building to collapse for the plot to succeed.

2. It was not necessary to do it to bring any buildings down even if total destruction of real estate was the real goal.

3. Even if some additional help had been required because for some unfathomable reason the plot would be an utter failure if burned out shells of buildings full of dead New Yorker's still dotted the NYC skyline, there is a far easier, far more logical way to deliver the hammer blow with infinitely less risk to exposing the plot than wiring the towers. Truthers will not consider it for political, not practical reasons - and because it is too simple for them.
 
What we know, anybody who is paying attention, is that tactical nuclear devices were employed to bring down the towers. The mechanisms for controlled demolition most likely were both nuclear and conventional.

Nuclear devices were not used in NYC during 9/11. Are you going to tell me that I'm not paying attention? Because if you try, my hyper-vigilance says, "Hi, how ya doin'?"
 
Nuclear devices were not used in NYC during 9/11. Are you going to tell me that I'm not paying attention? Because if you try, my hyper-vigilance says, "Hi, how ya doin'?"

The nuclear theory is the only one that explains ALL the strange things observed.

To begin the day, it explains the testimony of Willy Rodriguez, especially the dripping skin. It explains the testimony of Jim Gartenberg in his phone calls to his wife from the 86th floor of the North Tower, in which he described explosions blasting "from the inside" of the core and the elevator shafts.

It is demanded by the testimony of another dead person, Matt Tartaglia of Perkasie PA who before loosing his teeth and dying, described "hot spots" and nuclear decontamination protocol in use at Ground Zero. (Whoever thought of THAT term, anyway?)

It explains the hot spots observed by JPL and US government satellites overhead. It explains the molten iron described by so many, that lasted for 90 days and the aerosolized iron measured by Thomas Cahill and the DELTA Group.

It explains the massive lateral ejections and twisted-like-pretzels huge structural members. It explains the presence of post-fission-fusion elements. It explains the bizarrely burned out vehicles scattered around, hundreds of them. It explains the epidemiology of cancers found at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl.

Reports of humans engulfed in flames. And on, and on, and on.

No other theory explains all those observed facts.
 
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