AK_Conservative
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AK_Conservative said:This may be a little HEATED on the leftists but im going to say it!
As we start out young, a mojority of people start their political views off emotion, i.e. liberalism. Though as we tend to grow older, which many of us are fortunite of (growing older), tend to focus political views in a conservative sense! Now what is the reason for this? Is it becuase as we grow older, we come to realize that emotion can not control a society, reality can? (my opinion) or is it as times change, the society changes. Meaning, if it was a liberal view 30 years ago, it would be a conservative issue today? Personally, i think it is more of the first option than the second, but it entales Both! What say you?
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:What say I? I say your full of conservoshit. Liberalism != emotion, but an analysis based on reason and logic. It's nonsense to consider an entire group of people as one monolithic block. Pull the weed from your ass. Conservatives don't have an iron grasp on logic, reason. That's nonsense. There are many highly logical liberals, and if you ever actually read Pew Research, you will find that Liberals constitute the most intelligent, informed voting block although they only mak up about 15-18% of the total voting population. Conservatives, however, are quite emotional many times as well as many Liberals. Look at their social rhetoric on family values, laziness, "save the children," and the culture of life...etc. Saying liberals are emotional, as if no humans are, is a silly hasty generalization fallacy. Don't even go there kid.
It has nothing to do with emotion, rather a reasoned ethical analysis combined with economic pragmatism. You cannot have a completely factual, economic view of society, because values are part of society. Values and Economics form Ethinomics. You have to balance economics with ethical concerns, even if you might not get the "best" economic return. Not everything is an investment; that's something conservatives have a hard time comprehending. There's nothing inhernetly emotional about Liberalism. Liberalism is based on the ethical principles established by John Rawls in his work: Justice as Fairness. That's not emotional; that's ethical.
If you want to play the unwarranted generalizations bullshit, then I can easily comment that conservatives swell in ranks as people get old, and old people have a correlation with senility. Therefore, it must be obvious that it takes senility to drive one to conservatism.
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1SGRet said:An excellent sumnation of your conservative inclinations.
We all do things - if we can - that increase or hold steady things that benefit us. We wish, if you will, to 'conserve' our well being. Our cash, or net worth. We figured GWB would help us retain our goodies.
We thought wrong...
I think youre full of LIEberalism! Pull your head out of your ass! It is quite stated that People tend to turn to conservatism than liberalism!
Though both do happen! I did not, as you say, consider an ENTIRE group of people as a monolithic block! Liberals do not have an iron grip on logic, look at Kennedy, Durban, Kerry, Dean!
The bring so sence to the table! Only pure rhetoric!
A majority of liberals want more funding going into welfare right? Well doesnt that suggest that more people will go on welfare?
They get more money for no work right? While if we lower the funding, it would drive more people to find jobs, lowering the unemployment rate, and make this country better!
But no, many believe the government should support them!
What have they done to support the government?
What about Gay rights? They would rather have the gay community FEEL better and let them get married instead of taking into consideration FAMILY values and the True institution of marraige!
Family values is a very needed thing in america. So many problems with young ones these days are started with the family!
That is a known fact, no matter how you look at it! Liberals base there public policy off emotion, which in turn (as the welfare example above) does not accomplish the main goal! Is that logical?
I never said there was no logical liberals! I know there are plenty, but how often have you seen it in the past 10 years? I know there is illogical conservatives as well. If Liberals are the most intelligent as you quote, Why do they only make up 15-18% of the voting population?
I always thought it was the other way around... liberals were high-school drop outs. Those who don't attend college were liberals. It is more likely to do with their poor economic status. Those with higher levels of education tend to be more wealthy and hence conservative. Thats how I always thought it was anyway.Technocratic_Utilitarian said:There are many highly logical liberals, and if you ever actually read Pew Research, you will find that Liberals constitute the most intelligent, informed voting block although they only mak up about 15-18% of the total voting population.
I always thought it was the other way around... liberals were high-school drop outs. Those who don't attend college were liberals. It is more likely to do with their poor economic status. Those with higher levels of education tend to be more wealthy and hence conservative. Thats how I always thought it was anyway.
There are more liberals in the colleges than anywhere else. Most professors have never held a job outside of academia. As far as the uneducated welfare recipeints, they may be democrats, but they don't have the smarts to be liberals or conservatives. They vote with their personal interests in mind, and don't have enough knowledge to see a bigger picture.KevinWan said:I always thought it was the other way around... liberals were high-school drop outs. Those who don't attend college were liberals. It is more likely to do with their poor economic status. Those with higher levels of education tend to be more wealthy and hence conservative. Thats how I always thought it was anyway.
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:The government exists to serve the public; the public doesn't exist to serve the state. Do you think they do?
UtahBill said:There are more liberals in the colleges than anywhere else. Most professors have never held a job outside of academia. As far as the uneducated welfare recipeints, they may be democrats, but they don't have the smarts to be liberals or conservatives. They vote with their personal interests in mind, and don't have enough knowledge to see a bigger picture.
I would say that liberals are more educated overall, but that does not equate to them having any common sense.
Besides, I think moderates are more prone to logic and reason, while the far lefties and far righties are still a bunch of monkeys up in a tree, hooting and hollering for no other reason than they like to hoot and holler. Making sense is optional.:2razz:
As far as the uneducated welfare recipeints, they may be democrats,
And now the mask has been unveiled...Technocratic_Utilitarian said:They are also republicans. There are several republic groups who are highly disaffected and poor, yet they vote Republitard because of the silly focus on "traditional values." They let their social emotions trump their economic status.
Actually, the argument was going well until you decided to insult many members of the forum...to lower oneself in the mist of a quality debate says more about you than it does them...Technocratic_Utilitarian said:So I call them Republitard? So what. That doesn't alter the statistics. Done with the Ad Hominem argument yet?
Actually, the argument was going well until you decided to insult many members of the forum...to lower oneself in the mist of a quality debate says more about you than it does them...
I'll take an Ad Hominem attack over combining a race, gender, creed, or political affiliation with the word "retarded" anyday...
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:And that's false analysis derrived through propaganda. The preponderance of research shows quite the opposite, and according to voter typology, Liberals are highly educated with a large quanity having college degrees. They are also among the most wealthy, and most of them live in nice areas of the city.
There is a difference between a Liberal and a Democratic. The group you are talking about is largely called the "disaffected" or "populist" group, not Liberal.
Basically, the Typology of the Social Conservative is such: White, Female, Religious, Old, and Southern. Accordingly, if you want to delve into unfair stereotpes, like most Conservatives do, most Social Conservatives are white, schizophrenic, senile southerners--51% of whom attend Bible study groups and live off of Social Security--lazy bastards. Although, making generalizations like that is wrong, which you don't seem to get.
Now, if you want to know a group that is downtrodden and undereducated, take a look at the Pro-Gov't Conservatives. Of this group, they are: Predominately female (62%) and relatively young; highest percentage of minority members of any Republican-leaning group (10% black, 12% Hispanic). Most (59%) have no more than a high school diploma. Poorer than other Republican groups; nearly half (49%) have household incomes of less than $30,000 (about on par with Disadvantaged Democrats). Nearly half (47%) are parents of children living at home; 42% live in the South.
A bunch of white, highly religious, protestant southern women who are poor. poor and only have a highschool diploma. Conservatives rock!
I would also like to point out that there is a high correlation between intelligence and education, and an inverse relationship between religiosity and intelligence. It's no surprise that Liberals are the LEAST religious, yet the most highly educated and the conservatives tend to be the most highly religious, yet...not exactly the smartest. :lol:
"Yet Republicans in the general public tend to be better educated than Democrats. In the 1994-2002 General Social Surveys (GSS), Republicans have over 6/10ths of a year more education on average than Democrats. Republicans also have a higher final mean educational degree. Further, Republicans scored better than Democrats on two word tests in the GSS--a short vocabulary test and a modified analogies test.
If one breaks down the data by party affiliation and political orientation, the most highly educated group is conservative Republicans, who also score highest on the vocabulary and analogical reasoning tests. Liberal Democrats score only insignificantly lower than conservative Republicans. The least educated subgroups are moderate and conservative Democrats, who also score at the bottom (or very near the bottom) on vocabulary and analogy tests.
The irony here is that if there were substantial numbers of Republican political scientists, psychologists, and sociologists at Duke and other elite schools, Professor Brandon might already know that in the United States, the two most similar groups in educational attainment and verbal proficiency are liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans--and that ordinary, non-liberal Democrats are among the least educated political groups."
Sorry, but ur info is wrong. I also admire your lack of a citation for it.
I found this: [on a completely biased, non-academic blogger's website]
Quote:
"Yet Republicans in the general public tend to be better educated than Democrats. In the 1994-2002 General Social Surveys (GSS), Republicans have over 6/10ths of a year more education on average than Democrats. Republicans also have a higher final mean educational degree. Further, Republicans scored better than Democrats on two word tests in the GSS--a short vocabulary test and a modified analogies test.
If one breaks down the data by party affiliation and political orientation, the most highly educated group is conservative Republicans, who also score highest on the vocabulary and analogical reasoning tests. Liberal Democrats score only insignificantly lower than conservative Republicans. The least educated subgroups are moderate and conservative Democrats, who also score at the bottom (or very near the bottom) on vocabulary and analogy tests.
The irony here is that if there were substantial numbers of Republican political scientists, psychologists, and sociologists at Duke and other elite schools, Professor Brandon might already know that in the United States, the two most similar groups in educational attainment and verbal proficiency are liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans--and that ordinary, non-liberal Democrats are among the least educated political groups."
http://instapundit.com/archives/014093.php
I could probably find a billion other websites either supporting my position or yours. Then I could find those that say there is no link with intelligence and political philosophy...
AK_Conservative said:This may be a little HEATED on the leftists but im going to say it!
As we start out young, a mojority of people start their political views off emotion, i.e. liberalism. Though as we tend to grow older, which many of us are fortunite of (growing older), tend to focus political views in a conservative sense! Now what is the reason for this? Is it becuase as we grow older, we come to realize that emotion can not control a society, reality can? (my opinion) or is it as times change, the society changes. Meaning, if it was a liberal view 30 years ago, it would be a conservative issue today? Personally, i think it is more of the first option than the second, but it entales Both! What say you?
EDIT: I just realized i posted this in the wrong forum! Can someone move it to Political Platforms!
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Ahh yes, because all teachers are young. That makes sense. :roll:
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