As Trump dithers over Ukraine, Russia’s military edge weakens, officials say

[JoeB131]

You have a sophomoric idea of what the US State Department does.

Of course it aids potential allies, just as Russia's Foreign Ministry does. You seem to have the naive notion that Russian agents weren't also active in Ukraine 2013-2014. The Party of Regions (Yanukovych) was infested with pro-Kremlin MP's.

Such going's on are usually refered to as the Great Game. Ever hear of it?

Joe wants Assistant Secretary of State for Eurasian Affairs Vicky Nuland to sit in the corner and not try at all to influence foreign events that may be beneficial to American interests.

Sweet Jesus. The dumbphuckery is astounding.

Except Yanukovych legitimately won the election.

Nuland had no business encouraging or taking sides in a coup.

This is a problem with American foreign policy since the end of WWII. We keep interferring, we keep screwing it up, we keep walking away, and we keep worndering why so much of the world hates us.

Maybe it's time to realize it isn't a "Game". The "Great Game" referred to how the UK and Russian Empire played games with the peoples of the Middle East and South Asia. Look how well that's turned out.

Oops, looks like you left out this part again:

Explicit suggestion? What the Frick is that?

"Nice country you have here, Yanukovych, it would be a shame if something were to happen to it!"

We encouraged the coup, ethnic Russians asked for Russia's protection, and here we are.

We wrote the Comedian a blank check he couldn't cash, and now he's getting a well-deserved curb stomping.

 

[Fledermaus]

I was confident with my answers. Nuland was caught red-handed facilitating the coup. You babbled some nonsense about sandwiches.

Facilitating a coup?

I ask again.

How?

 

[soap box]

You keep leaving out how the US engineered a coup against the legitimate government of Ukraine.

That's because it was a legally constitutional vote of no confidence.

With friends like Mexico, who needs enemies?

They are a conduit for millions of illegal aliens, they are shipping drugs into this country, and they are stealing our jobs. But, no, no, Trump is the bad guy for pointing it out.



Would they, though? The US Army had a hard time with Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm not sure they would fare much better against crack PLA troops.

Your hypothetical is flawed because it only works if the US fires the first shots. If the US doesn't attack Mexico then the Chinese start the war or no war happens at all.

Ethnic Russians is a lie because Putin doesn't care about human life and he sent the indigenous Russians to to front line first.

IF Putin had peaceful intentions he wouldn't care what NATO does, so that's a lie too.

The Nazis in Ukraine are a lie because there are Nazis in Russia and Putin doesn't care.

 

[Jredbaron96]

.Explicit suggestion? What the Frick is that?

"Nice country you have here, Yanukovych, it would be a shame if something were to happen to it!"

Youre dodging again:


You claimed that this phone call was proof of a coup against Yanukovych, so why does it end with an explicit suggestion of outreach to him?

We encouraged the coup, ethnic Russians asked for Russia's protection, and here we are.

No they didnt. Counter Euromaiden protests in Donbas were carried out by bussing in local employees from state owned industries.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Thread 'Trump lifting US sanctions against several Russian banks, companies and individuals, including the agency responsible for Russia arms exports.'

Jul 3, 2025

The"move was made in the shadows in the executive order that Trump signed on June 30 to lift long-standing sanctions on Syria.The White House claimed the move was aimed at economic recovery in the war-torn country, but several Russian-linked entities were also quietly targeted. Among the most controversial removals is Rosoboronexport, Russia's state arms export agency. Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, former head of Kalmykia and former president of the International Chess Federation (FIDE), was also removed from the list. He is now said to be keen to meet Trump and challenge him to a game of chess...

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Do you have that story linked to a reputable domestic news site? I am not sure I can take Dagens seriously.

 

[Roadvirus]

Nato is a military force. A military force, any military force is by definition a threat.

We have a military force.
Mexico doesn't consider us a threat to it's security.

 

[Roadvirus]

Nato has already poured in hundreds of billions of dollars in a war against Russia. To claim Nato is not attacking Russia is to engage in a fiction that there is much difference between war by proxy and direct war

NATO is providing Ukraine with weapons to defend itself from & end Russian aggression.

 

[Roadvirus]

Russia should be concerned about Nato because Nato can attack Russia.

NATO can attack Russia....but they won't. Unless of course Russia crosses the line by either using nukes in Ukraine or attacking a NATO member.

Nato already attacked Serbia and Afghanistan. You dont expect Russians to draw lessons from that ?

Serbia: An ongoing genocide
Afghanistan: Pretty obvious why

 

[Roadvirus]

So Russia was supposed to just sit until Nato nukes are stationed on the Russian Federation borders with Ukraine?

NATO would never have done that.

Now you are embracing yet another Gremlin talking point.

 

[Roadvirus]

I will have Trump anytime over these Europeans who seem to be itching for a catastrophe

You know what else could create a catastrophe? Letting Putzin get away with what he's doing in Ukraine. Because he thinks "Huh...i can run over any country i want and my little doggie Donald won't do a thing to stop me."

 

[Roadvirus]

Maybe you should read history books. It is hard to accuse UK, France, Germany, Spain, etc of peaceful intentions given their histories of the past five hundred years. Russians are not the only villains in the world

Join us in the 21st century, where the villain is Russia.

Don't go bogarting a certain other poster's Whataboutism turf.

 

[Roadvirus]

Trump is now saying he will send defensive weapons to Ukraine to fend off the yuge bombardments of drones and missiles..

We'll see how long that decision lasts.

Until those weapons reach Ukraine, i won't believe a shit word he says.

He's also constantly criticizing Putin - not Z- for that and more

Publicly. In private, he's probably blaming Zelensky for keeping the Nobel Peace Prize out of his hands.

You and I have very similar views that Europe can do what it wants, but the USA needs to stay out of that war.

We know you don't want the U.S. to be the leader in the fight for freedom anymore.

You want us to be a Trumptocracy, where America treats its friends like shit & yanks the hard-ons of our enemies.

 

[anatta]

We'll see how long that decision lasts.

Until those weapons reach Ukraine, i won't believe a shit word he says.

nobody cares what you "believe", Trump has said it 3x in 2 days. I assume he means Patriot and such already in Poland

Publicly. In private, he's probably blaming Zelensky for keeping the Nobel Peace Prize out of his hands.

rank speculation countered by his public statement

We know you don't want the U.S. to be the leader in the fight for freedom anymore.

as Trump just said about Putin - "stop feeding us bullshit"

You want us to be a Trumptocracy, where America treats its friends like shit & yanks the hard-ons of our enemies.

made up terms. likely due to TDS

 

[Juin]

That's because it was a legally constitutional vote of no confidence.

Are you quoting that from the Ukrainian Constitution?

The Nazis in Ukraine are a lie because there are Nazis in Russia and Putin doesn't care.

That has to be news to the Azov guys that their existence is a lie

 

[Juin]

Join us in the 21st century, where the villain is Russia.

Russia is only one of many villains in the world

Don't go bogarting a certain other poster's Whataboutism turf.

No intiendo

 

[Fledermaus]

Are you quoting that from the Ukrainian Constitution?

That has to be news to the Azov guys that their existence is a lie

The Azov unit that no longer exists?

That Azov unit?

 

[Juin]

You know what else could create a catastrophe? Letting Putzin get away with what he's doing in Ukraine. Because he thinks "Huh...i can run over any country i want and my little doggie Donald won't do a thing to stop me."

If Putin cannot overrun Nato/Ukraine, how is he supposed to run over any country? The thing is a stalemate

 

[Juin]

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Juin said:
So Russia was supposed to just sit until Nato nukes are stationed on the Russian Federation borders with Ukraine?

NATO would never have done that.

Now you are embracing yet another Gremlin talking point.

How can you say Nato would have never done that when Nato has been doing exactly that?

 

[Juin]

Except Yanukovych legitimately won the election.

Yanukovych's crime was that he turned down the EU

 

[JoeB131]

Facilitating a coup?

I ask again.

How?

I'm tired of repeating myself.

Youre dodging again:


You claimed that this phone call was proof of a coup against Yanukovych, so why does it end with an explicit suggestion of outreach to him?

You mean putting up pretences?

No they didnt. Counter Euromaiden protests in Donbas were carried out by bussing in local employees from state owned industries.

Right. None of those Russians wanted independence from a Ukrainian state that treats them like second class citizens.

 

[soap box]

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Juin said:
So Russia was supposed to just sit until Nato nukes are stationed on the Russian Federation borders with Ukraine?

Putin undoubtedly has a few nukes pointed at every NATO member so that's called detente.

How can you say Nato would have never done that when Nato has been doing exactly that?

He had duties as president of Ukraine. He abdicated that constitutional responsibility by not showing up. The Parliament constitutionally had the authority to remove him because he wouldn't act as president, and no one knew where he was for a period after he disappeared.

 

[Juin]

Putin undoubtedly has a few nukes pointed at every NATO member so that's called detente.

JFK also had nukes pointed at every Warsaw Pact member; that did not stop him from objecting to Soviet nukes in Cuba, how so?

He had duties as president of Ukraine. He abdicated that constitutional responsibility by not showing up. The Parliament constitutionally had the authority to remove him because he wouldn't act as president, and no one knew where he was for a period after he disappeared.

LOL Would that be the same way Salvador Allende of Chile abdicated his responsibilities?

 

[Juin]

Right. None of those Russians wanted independence from a Ukrainian state that treats them like second class citizens.

Below, the Maidan for Ukrainian Russians. Some 39 of them burned to death in the Trade Union Building in Odessa by Nuland's "freedom fighters". And there is spurious claims that Yanukovych abdicated

 

[Fledermaus]

I'm tired of repeating myself.

You have yammered but you haven't cited anything relevant.

You mean putting up pretences?

Putting up what?

Right. None of those Russians wanted independence from a Ukrainian state that treats them like second class citizens.

None is a blanket statement.

That doesn't play.

 

[soap box]

JFK also had nukes pointed at every Warsaw Pact member; that did not stop him from objecting to Soviet nukes in Cuba, how so?

Khrushchev was willing to talk. He was able to explain himself and engage in diplomacy so that he gained the removal of missiles in Turkey.

So you see why an example from 65 years ago doesn't apply to Putin. Putin isn't like Khrushchev. Putin isn't willing to talk or concede anything. Putin chose to start a war instead of listen.

LOL Would that be the same way Salvador Allende of Chile abdicated his responsibilities?

The Ukrainian military did nothing to alter Yanu's removal. Yanu is still alive after leaving office. Those are two differences about someone who did commit suicide 50 years ago and someone else who didn't.

So no, why did you suggest there was a notable comparison?

Putin is only escalating this war, he's rejecting everything about negotiations.