As Trump dithers over Ukraine, Russia’s military edge weakens, officials say

[JoeB131]

Your denial is without reason. You didn't explain anything.

You didn't answer the questions.

Sure I did. Just not the answers you wanted to hear.

There is nothing identity losing about a few people waving mexican flags anymore than the Irish waving Irish flags. What horseshit you spew. Not that you are ever going to get your wish.

Trump's immigration policies are more popular than you think they are.

Assume any poll you see is off about 10 points, as there are 10% who are happy to see immigrants tossed out on their asses, but won't admit that to a pollster.

 

[bomberfox]

Sure I did. Just not the answers you wanted to hear.



Trump's immigration policies are more popular than you think they are.

Assume any poll you see is off about 10 points, as there are 10% who are happy to see immigrants tossed out on their asses, but won't admit that to a pollster.

Well popularity doesnt always make law. Its up to you to actually prove such flag waving is a threat you make it out to be.

This is something that isnt even new, we have unofficial holiday celebrations that are completely foreign to the united states that date back to before you were born. This is no different.

Trump is losing popularity for what he is doing.

 

[soap box]

Sure I did. Just not the answers you wanted to hear.



Trump's immigration policies are more popular than you think they are.

Assume any poll you see is off about 10 points, as there are 10% who are happy to see immigrants tossed out on their asses, but won't admit that to a pollster.

And+ those are simple questions you don't want to answer.

 

[Hamish Howl]

When a country looses it's national identity, then, yes, it is in decline.

You expect a national identity to be eternal and unchanging?

 

[JoeB131]

You expect a national identity to be eternal and unchanging?

I expect it to be consistent.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I expect it to be consistent.

Good luck with that.

I mean, I suppose ancient Egypt was consistent for 500 years at a go. But that's not where we are.

 

[JoeB131]

Good luck with that.

I mean, I suppose ancient Egypt was consistent for 500 years at a go. But that's not where we are.

No, we are at a point where we have 16% of the population foreign born.

And wondering why the country is coming apart at the seems.

We've shoved 20 pounds of shyte into a 10 pound bag.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, we are at a point where we have 16% of the population foreign born.

How does that stack up against 1865-1900?

And wondering why the country is coming apart at the seems.

*seams. We speak English here. Please learn it.

We've shoved 20 pounds of shyte into a 10 pound bag.

Yeah, and now he's the president. ****ed up, right?

 

[JoeB131]

How does that stack up against 1865-1900?


*seams. We speak English here. Please learn it.

Yeah, and now he's the president. ****ed up, right?

Ah, we got another grammar Nazi. Usually, the sign of a failed argument.

We reached a maximum of 14% in the 1890s, which is why several immigration laws were passed. By 1970, that number had decreased to a manageable 5%.

Yes, it is bleeped up that Trump is President. But Democrats did this to themselves in so many ways. Part of that reason was because the Democrats let too many unvetted immigrants in.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Ah, we got another grammar Nazi. Usually, the sign of a failed argument.\

Poor grammar is an indication of sloppiness, a lack of education, or both.

See that Oxford comma? You're damn right you did.

We reached a maximum of 14% in the 1890s, which is why several immigration laws were passed. By 1970, that number had decreased to a manageable 5%.

But I like Mexican immigrants more than I like You People.

Yes, it is bleeped up that Trump is President. But Democrats did this to themselves in so many ways. Part of that reason was because the Democrats let too many unvetted immigrants in.

Now Trump is walking back throwing them out.

You got lied to. Again. Isn't that awesome?

 

[JoeB131]

Poor grammar is an indication of sloppiness, a lack of education, or both.

See that Oxford comma? You're damn right you did.

But I like Mexican immigrants more than I like You People.

Now Trump is walking back throwing them out.

You got lied to. Again. Isn't that awesome?

I get paid for my writing, thanks. Just not here.

Who are "You People" exactly? My dad was an immigrant, and my wife is an immigrant. But anyone with a lick of sense can see letting in millions of unvetted people is a terrible idea.

Trump is being Trump, tomorrow he'll be screaming to round them all up and deport them all. That's what he does.

The point is, he's already gotten border crossing down from a flood to a trickle. Probably a lot of people are going to self-deport before they get sent to a Salvadoran gulag.

It doesn't mean we don't need serious immigration reform, but your side needs to acknowledge how much you created the problem.

Both sides have this bad habit of "Let's try to undo everything the last guy did, no matter how bad of an idea it is!"

In the case of Trump, scrapping the Iran accords was a terrible idea that has led us to war.

In the case of Biden, letting in a flood of illegals without putting in place the resources to deal with them has led to a reaction.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I get paid for my writing, thanks. Just not here.

Where then? I suppose maybe the Arkansas legislature would pay for error-ridden text.

Who are "You People" exactly?

You know. You People. MAGAs. I don't wish you ill, but I have to think of my property values.

My dad was an immigrant, and my wife is an immigrant.

So a bunch of special pleading, ITT.

But anyone with a lick of sense can see letting in millions of unvetted people is a terrible idea.

Trump is being Trump, tomorrow he'll be screaming to round them all up and deport them all. That's what he does.

The point is, he's already gotten border crossing down from a flood to a trickle. Probably a lot of people are going to self-deport before they get sent to a Salvadoran gulag.

It doesn't mean we don't need serious immigration reform, but your side needs to acknowledge how much you created the problem.

I don't acknowledge that there is a problem in the first place.

 

[soap box]

Sure I did. Just not the answers you wanted to hear.



Trump's immigration policies are more popular than you think they are.

Assume any poll you see is off about 10 points, as there are 10% who are happy to see immigrants tossed out on their asses, but won't admit that to a pollster.

I don't remember your response to any of these questions.


How do demands for annexation into the Russian Federation, civil rights violations, human rights violations, and KIA fatalities among large swaths of indigenous Russians support Putin's claim of of self-determination?


Was there a nation that wanted the Warsaw Pact to continue? Why not?


If NATO never attacks first, how is it going be a threat?



Who ended the very, very brief period of democracy in Russia?



Do you think the Soviet Union is still a nation-state?

 

[JoeB131]

You know. You People. MAGAs. I don't wish you ill, but I have to think of my property values.

Voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris in the last three elections.

But if you want to be in denial about why he won, you are probably going to get used to saying "President Vance" in four years.

So a bunch of special pleading, ITT.

Nope, just a clarification. I'm not opposed to immigration, I'm opposed to unvetted illegal immigration. So are most Americans. This is why Harris lost.

I don't acknowledge that there is a problem in the first place.

Then you should live in a community that is impacted by immigration, with shortages of housing, increases in crime, etc.

There's a reason why Hispanics and Asians who are citizens dramatically shifted towards Trump this time.

 

[JoeB131]

don't remember your response to any of these questions.


How do demands for annexation into the Russian Federation, civil rights violations, human rights violations, and KIA fatalities among large swaths of indigenous Russians support Putin's claim of of self-determination?

He's annexing Regions that are Russian. Next.

If NATO never attacks first, how is it going be a threat?

Um, NATO has attacked first. They attacked Serbia over Kosovo, they attacked Libya over Gaddafi, not acquiescing to whatever the French wanted out of them.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris in the last three elections.

Of course you did.

Then you should live in a community that is impacted by immigration, with shortages of housing, increases in crime, etc.

I'm in Tucson. We have a taco truck on every corner, as an idiot once said, and we're doing fine.

We'd be doing even better if You People tended to your own business.

There's a reason why Hispanics and Asians who are citizens dramatically shifted towards Trump this time.

You're always going to have the dog in the manger thing, no matter who you are talking about.

 

[Hamish Howl]

He's annexing Regions that are Russian. Next.

Except that's absolute bullshit.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm in Tucson. We have a taco truck on every corner, as an idiot once said, and we're doing fine.

We'd be doing even better if You People tended to your own business.

Well, I'm in Chicago, and frankly, we aren't doing "Fine".

The increase in crime has been a real problem. The reason why Tucson is doing okay is that the southwest is shuffling these people up to the Blue States and Sanctuary cities, and making them our problem.

You're always going to have the dog in the manger thing, no matter who you are talking about.

Um, that didn't make any sense.

Trump's support in the Hispanic vote increased from 32% to 46%, and in the Asian vote, it increased from 34% to 40%.

His support among those making less than 50K a year (the constituency most negatively affected by undocumented immigrants in terms of jobs, housing, and crime) increased from 44% to 50%.

How Groups Voted in 2020 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

TypeDemographicGroupBidenTrumpSEXMen484553Women525742RACEWhite674158African-American138712Hispanic

ropercenter.cornell.edu

How Groups Voted in 2024 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

TypeDemographicGroupHarrisTrumpSEXMen474355Women535345RACEWhite714257African-American118613Hispanic

ropercenter.cornell.edu

 

[soap box]

He's annexing Regions that are Russian. Next.

Then you agree with Putin that all former territories are intact as the Soviet Union?
That's a revealing dodge.

Um, NATO has attacked first. They attacked Serbia over Kosovo, they attacked Libya over Gaddafi, not acquiescing to whatever the French wanted out of them.

You're comparing the largest country in the world with a country as small as Serbia. That was a threat to tiny Serbia 30 years ago. It's unbelievable to say NATO would start a war, attack or invade Russia.

They attack Gadaffi and you use that as an example. Your claims aren't clear here.


Did NATO ever start a war?
No

Did Putin start a war?
Yes


An example of avoidance of answering the questions is asking "how many countries wanted to remain in the Warsaw Pact?" None, because the USSR fell and they felt no fear of NATO. That contrasts seeing nations asking to be admitted to NATO after Putin rose to power as President. But they didn't fear NATO.




You are not willing to admit the answers to these questions:

How do demands for annexation into the Russian Federation, civil rights violations, human rights violations, and KIA fatalities among large swaths of indigenous Russians support Putin's claim of of self-determination?


Was there a nation that wanted the Warsaw Pact to continue? Why not?


Knowing that NATO never started a war, how is it going be a threat?


Who ended the very, very brief period of democracy in Russia?

 

[JoeB131]

You're comparing the largest country in the world with a country as small as Serbia. That was a threat to tiny Serbia 30 years ago. It's unbelievable to say NATO would start a war, attack or invade Russia.

They attack Gadaffi and you use that as an example. Your claims aren't clear here.


Did NATO ever start a war?

Yes, they did. I just gave you TWO examples of NATO deciding that it was its place to take a side in an internal matter of a sovereign nation.

So, yes, when NATO keeps creeping up on Russia's border, talking smack about how Putin is illegitimate, Russia would have LEGITIMATE concerns.

You are not willing to admit the answers to these questions:

How do demands for annexation into the Russian Federation, civil rights violations, human rights violations, and KIA fatalities among large swaths of indigenous Russians support Putin's claim of of self-determination?

I gave you that answer, just not the one you wanted to hear.

If there are Russians in those countries, then Putin has a valid point that their self-determination is to be part of Russia.

Who ended the very, very brief period of democracy in Russia?

Who says anyone did. Russia, unlike Ukraine, is continuing to hold elections.

2024 Russian presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[soap box]

Yes, they did. I just gave you TWO examples of NATO deciding that it was its place to take a side in an internal matter of a sovereign nation.

Tiny pipsqueak nation and a dictator who admired Hitler. Did NATO start a war?!

So, yes, when NATO keeps creeping up on Russia's border, talking smack about how Putin is illegitimate, Russia would have LEGITIMATE concerns.

NATO is no threat to Putin unless he starts war.

I gave you that answer, just not the one you wanted to hear.

You deny what has been completely documented in the UN report. Quote or link to anything you can correct about the report. Without your ability to comment on that document, or without your ability to explain how sending indigenous Russians to die for ethnic Russians never was made, you still have not answered it.

If there are Russians in those countries, then Putin has a valid point that their self-determination is to be part of Russia.

He would have to prove that by ordering a ceasefire so that a new referendum with international monitors could be arranged. A war doesn't solve a question of justice or self determination. A referendum would prove your claims.

Who says anyone did. Russia, unlike Ukraine, is continuing to hold elections.

That was the last straw. You brought up the period of democracy after the dissolution of the USSR, and then you dodge the answer, which IS PUTIN.

It's an incredible lie to even suggest Putin will tolerate democracy.
Putin has never lost an election.

You can't admit it. You've posted nothing but dodges to avoid the truth. All lies and dodges to protect and defend the most maniacal murderer in the world.

 

[JoeB131]

Tiny pipsqueak nation and a dictator who admired Hitler. Did NATO start a war?!

Yes, they did. They decided it was their place to intervene in Serbia because Bill Clinton didn't want his legacy to be "Impeached for a Blow Job".

NATO is no threat to Putin unless he starts war.

That's what Milosevic and Qadaffi thought.

He would have to prove that by ordering a ceasefire so that a new referendum with international monitors could be arranged. A war doesn't solve a question of justice or self determination. A referendum would prove your claims.

Except they had a referendum in the 2011 election, when people of Crimea and Donbas voted for Yanukovych. But then they deposed him with the support of the US Government. YOu can't say, "We're going to have an election, but then totally ignore your imput after the election, and then we are going to stop holding elections!" It doesn't pass the laugh test.

That was the last straw. You brought up the period of democracy after the dissolution of the USSR, and then you dodge the answer, which IS PUTIN.

It's an incredible lie to even suggest Putin will tolerate democracy.
Putin has never lost an election.

You can't admit it. You've posted nothing but dodges to avoid the truth. All lies and dodges to protect and defend the most maniacal murderer in the world.

Maybe Putin has never lost an election because he's really popular and most Russians like what he's doing.

Doesn't make him any less of a bastard, but frankly, most leaders who are bastards are massively popular with their publics.

 

[soap box]

Yes, they did. They decided it was their place to intervene in Serbia because Bill Clinton didn't want his legacy to be "Impeached for a Blow Job".



That's what Milosevic and Qadaffi thought.



Except they had a referendum in the 2011 election, when people of Crimea and Donbas voted for Yanukovych. But then they deposed him with the support of the US Government. YOu can't say, "We're going to have an election, but then totally ignore your imput after the election, and then we are going to stop holding elections!" It doesn't pass the laugh test.

Nobody wants to live in a Russian puppet state, and the Ukranian people didn't want to be a puppet of Putin. Crappy example, and another Dodge because Zelensky won his election when Putin is too scared of democracy to even conduct a fair election.

Maybe Putin has never lost an election because he's really popular and most Russians like what he's doing.

Doesn't make him any less of a bastard, but frankly, most leaders who are bastards are massively popular with their publics.

As far as I can tell.
You want us to surrender to Putin, as long as he lives and no matter what country he invades.

You believe the USSR is still a viable national state.

You can't admit that Putin destroyed the democratic beginnings of the Russian Federation.

You can't admit that the nations in the former Warsaw Pact were never afraid of NATO, and they rejected the USSR for a very good reason.

You can't admit that Putin has respect for human life and his claims of self determination are nothing but lies and obviously self-contradicting.

You can't admit Putin is our greatest enemy, so you dodge almost every answer with boilerplate propaganda.

You think Putin has won elections because people support him, at the end of a gun barrel. You're unable to admit that Putin won't call an election unless he has control of the vote.

You have denied simple facts and I've known for a week now that there's a one-to-one correspondence between your posts and RT claims of Putin propaganda.

Your support for Putin is disengenuous. I consider that shameless. You are too shameless to discuss much at all.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Maybe Putin has never lost an election because he's really popular and most Russians like what he's doing.

Ummm, no. Elections in Russia are fixed. Only candidates from United Russia have an opportunity at winning an election. After the 2018 elections, 182,800 video cameras were removed from the 91,400 voting stations in Russia.

Political activist and Alexei Navalny attorney Lyubov Sobol was denied permission to be a candidate for the 2020 Moscow City Council. Chairwoman of the Central Election Commission of Russia Ella Pamfilova (born in Uzbekistan) is a longtime Russian politician and Putin sychophant. In 2017 she barred Alexei Navalny from running for president of Russia. She is under Western and Japan sanctions. Ms. Sobol divorced her husband on 8 August 2021 and on the same day boarded a flight to Turkey and then on to Europe. She has never returned to Russia. At a minimum, Putin would have her arrested and imprisoned. One of my favorite Russian content video's....

 

[Hamish Howl]

Well, I'm in Chicago, and frankly, we aren't doing "Fine".

If you can't make it in Chicago, you can't make it anywhere.

The increase in crime has been a real problem. The reason why Tucson is doing okay is that the southwest is shuffling these people up to the Blue States and Sanctuary cities, and making them our problem.

We don't shuffle anyone anywhere.