As scientists have long predicted, warming is making heatwaves more deadly

[flogger]

So Buzz.

Let me get this straight. Are you contending that I am wrong when I say when a heat is applied to an object that is greater than its loss of heat, that it does not increase in temperature? Are you contending that when the supplied heat is less than what is needed to maintain a temperature, that the object does not decrease in temperature?

You have me baffled. Do you believe in magic? How else do you explain your denial of science?

What I illustrated was a simple application of energy balance. The ocean is going to lose heat, at a rate primarily driven by its surface temperature. If I apply heat at a greater rate than it is lost, then the heat content, hence the temperature, will increase. The same science dictates the ocean will cool if I supply less heat than what is lost at the surface.

The epipelagic zone is 200 meters deep. This is a mass of more than 200 metric tons per meter. It takes more than 800 million joules of energy to raise this by 1 degree. If you know anything about science, you will know it takes a very long time to change the temperature of that water by one degree with the small change in surface insolation as the sun changes TSI. It takes so long, that the effects I showed on the graph are real.

Deny science all you want. I will just shake my head.

Bravo good post !

 

[Lord of Planar]

Too bad your understanding is not based on any peer-reviewed and published science that you can cite or that I have ever seen. But I am sure that if I went looking I could find some denialist blogs that back you up.

I am not going to look up materiel I already know, to prove I know what I speak of. This is a simple matter of heat exchange which uses an exponential rate of change. Not my problem you don't understand such simple matters of science. I don't have the time to teach you first year science.

 

[longview]

I worked in a warehouse. That is identical to living at home without a central air conditioner.

No ventilation fans?

 

[longview]

Now you are confusing weather with climate. You don't need to be right...just create doubt.

It was a 3 day weather event, not climate.

 

[iguanaman]

It was a 3 day weather event, not climate.

That's right so why did you claim it was cooler elsewhere? The weather events are getting hotter and hotter and records are falling like leaves. Greenland melted enough ice to cover the State of Florida with 2 inches of water in their "weather event".

 

[flogger]

That's right so why did you claim it was cooler elsewhere? The weather events are getting hotter and hotter and records are falling like leaves. Greenland melted enough ice to cover the State of Florida with 2 inches of water in their "weather event".

Yeah but remember Al Gore said in 2006 the North pole would be gone by 2014 whilst pocketing a bazillion dollars pedalling this alarmist sh*te from his Learjet . Always check the facts and not the hype on this issue

 

[Patriotic Voter]

No ventilation fans?

My place at work had one ceiling fan that probably used to be a helicopter propeller, if that is what you mean.

 

[iguanaman]

Yeah but remember Al Gore said in 2006 the North pole would be gone by 2014 whilst pocketing a bazillion dollars pedalling this sh*te. Always check the facts and not the hype on this issue

You are kidding right? The north pole icecap IS virtually gone and the new date is 2035 for total summer melting. Al Gore was right and it is now inevitable.

Arctic summer sea ice could disappear as early as 2035​

Last month, less sea ice covered the Arctic Ocean than in any other July since scientists began keeping track of it with satellites in 1979, marking another step toward a devastating and planet-reshaping inevitability: an ice-free summer for the Arctic Ocean.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-summer-sea-ice-could-be-gone-by-2035

 

[Lord of Planar]

Buzz, please try to follow.

Those 800 million joules of energy represent 25.37 watt-years of power per meter. This would be 2,537 years of inputting a 0.1 W/m^2 increase, to raise this layer by 1 degree, and this is less than 10% of the ocean where there are farther heat exchanges. Now CO2 also plays a role, but most of this energy is absorbed at the first few microns of the surface, and that heat is mostly used to vaporize the water faster.

 

[flogger]

You are kidding right? The north pole icecap IS virtually gone and the new date is 2035 for total summer melting. Al Gore was right and it is now inevitable.

Arctic summer sea ice could disappear as early as 2035​

Last month, less sea ice covered the Arctic Ocean than in any other July since scientists began keeping track of it with satellites in 1979, marking another step toward a devastating and planet-reshaping inevitability: an ice-free summer for the Arctic Ocean.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-summer-sea-ice-could-be-gone-by-2035

The arctic is doing just fine

electroverse.net/nsidc-2020-polar-ice-doing-just-fine/

 

[watsup]

Yeah but remember Al Gore said in 2006 the North pole would be gone by 2014 whilst pocketing a bazillion dollars pedalling this alarmist sh*te from his Learjet . Always check the facts and not the hype on this issue

Al Gore denier talking point.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Bravo good post !

Thanks.

I have this visual in my head of Buzz and others searching Skeptical Science, Real Climate, and other climate alarmist blogs for a canned response to what I said.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You are kidding right? The north pole icecap IS virtually gone and the new date is 2035 for total summer melting. Al Gore was right and it is now inevitable.

Arctic summer sea ice could disappear as early as 2035​

Last month, less sea ice covered the Arctic Ocean than in any other July since scientists began keeping track of it with satellites in 1979, marking another step toward a devastating and planet-reshaping inevitability: an ice-free summer for the Arctic Ocean.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-summer-sea-ice-could-be-gone-by-2035

That has already happened in the past. If it happens again, shouldn't it be considered a cyclical event?

Now on the side of comedy. Nobody has seen the real Santa Clause for a very long time. This would indicate that his home at the north pole has already sunk into the sea long ago, and the ice has returned since.

 

[flogger]

So he

Thanks.

I have this visual in my head of Buzz and others searching Skeptical Science, Real Climate, and other climate alarmist blogs for a canned response to what I said.

Well you knocked it out of the park with that one I await their responses with baited breath

Good job

 

[longview]

That's right so why did you claim it was cooler elsewhere? The weather events are getting hotter and hotter and records are falling like leaves. Greenland melted enough ice to cover the State of Florida with 2 inches of water in their "weather event".

That global average temperatures have increased is not in question, the cause and climate’s sensitivity to added CO2 is!

 

[watsup]

That global average temperatures have increased is not in question, the cause and climate’s sensitivity to added CO2 is!

What do climate scientists say is the cause?

 

[watsup]

The arctic is doing just fine

electroverse.net/nsidc-2020-polar-ice-doing-just-fine/

Oops, looks like you are wrong yet again:

"Sea ice cover in the Arctic Ocean hit a record low on Monday for this time of year, surpassing even the year 2012 which went on to see the lowest annual minimum extent since satellite records began in 1979. Extent fell to 8.867 million square kilometers (3.4 million square miles) of ice cover on July 5, 2021.

This year’s early July drop was unexpected by some observers due to a cool stormy spring in the Arctic which in the past might have put a brake on the melt season, though a Russian heatwave is now stoking Laptev Sea melt, while warmth over Hudson Bay has caused ice there to disappear earlier than typical.

Ice extent in 2020 (the second lowest extent record holder) tracked fairly closely to 2021, though above what we’re seeing right now. However, spring and early summer 2020 were hotter and sunnier than this year, meaning that the thinner first year ice seems to be melting at record rates despite cooler, stormier weather conditions."

As Arctic melt sets early July record, hard times lie ahead for ice: Studies

Sea ice fell to its lowest extent on record for this time of year, while new studies find Arctic coastal ice may be receding 70-110% faster than thought, winter ice is failing to regrow fully, and last multi-year ice refuge is under assault.

news.mongabay.com

 

[flogger]

What do climate scientists say is the cause?

I look forward to them explaining why an extra 0.01% of CO2 in our atmosphere is the cause

I won't hold my breath..... or maybe I should given it might actually save the planet after all

 

[Lord of Planar]

So he


Well you knocked it out of the park with that one I await their responses with baited breath

Good job

I think real science is above their level of understanding though.

 

[watsup]

I look forward to them explaining why an extra 0.01% of CO2 in our atmosphere is the cause

I won't hold my breath..... or maybe I should given it might save the planet after all

It has been explained by NASA and NOAA and climate scientists on a worldwide basis. You could find it in less than 30 seconds on Google if you were truly interested.

 

[watsup]

I think real science is above their level of understanding though.

Ad hom.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Ad hom.

But it appears true. Can you show me I am wrong? Are facts an ad hom?

 

[flogger]

It has been explained by NASA and NOAA and climate scientists on a worldwide basis. You could find it in less than 30 seconds on Google if you were truly interested.

Its your agenda so prove it ?

 

[longview]

My place at work had one ceiling fan that probably used to be a helicopter propeller, if that is what you mean.

No something that moves air through the the building.

 

[watsup]

But it appears true. Can you show me I am wrong? Are facts an ad hom?

Lame excuse to try to justify ad hom.