As Science Learns More, God/s Are Needed Less

[LittleNipper]

There have been LOTS of religions that spread quickly. Were all those religions true?

Please name one that changed the society of its day.

 

[Questerr]

Please name one that changed the society of its day.

Islam…

 

[LittleNipper]

Islam…

It changed from what into what?

 

[Questerr]

It changed from what into what?

Well, the world went from not having Islam at all, to Islam being only present in a tiny desert backwater, to Islam being followed by half the known world in less than a hundred years.

So did that make Islam true? Why aren’t you a Muslim?

Or does the speed at which a religion spreads have nothing to with whether it’s true or not?

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, the world went from not having Islam at all, to Islam being only present in a tiny desert backwater, to Islam being followed by half the known world in less than a hundred years.

So did that make Islam true? Why aren’t you a Muslim?

Or does the speed at which a religion spreads have nothing to with whether it’s true or not?

Well, from what I know of Mohamad (the founder of Islam) is that he wanted to combine Judaism ritual with Christianity (go figure). I heard this in PUBLIC SCHOOL ---- so it must be true. Anyway, I have no desire to have a bunch of virgins in heaven and have to blow myself up to get there. I see most Moslems as working their way into heaven --- like GOD is impressed by what one does., since HE does it all anyway.

 

[Questerr]

Well, from what I know of Mohamad (the founder of Islam) is that he wanted to combine Judaism ritual with Christianity (go figure). I heard this in PUBLIC SCHOOL ---- so it must be true. Anyway, I have no desire to have a bunch of virgins in heaven and have to blow myself up to get there. I see most Moslems as working their way into heaven --- like GOD is impressed by what one does. I think GOD is far more impressed by what we do not do.

So you are abandoning you claim that the speed at which a religion spreads indicates if it is true or not?

Or are you going to move goalposts again?

 

[LittleNipper]

So you are abandoning you claim that the speed at which a religion spreads indicates if it is true or not?

Or are you going to move goalposts again?

It seems to me that Christianity had to find its way to the Moslem areas before there were Moslems. The issue was that Moslems would threaten to kill anyone who would not convert. If one isn't a real Christian, one wouldn't care one way or the other ---- however, the threat of death might be the thing that sways the convert ----- especially, if one doesn't have a clue either way... How many guys with little area rugs bumping their heads 3 times against the floor towards MECCA have even read the Quran? I mean are Quran studies even a thing?

 

[Questerr]

It seems to me that Christianity had to find its way to the Moslem areas before there were Moslems. The issue was that Moslems would threaten to kill anyone who would not convert. If one isn't a real Christian, one wouldn't care one way or the other ---- however, the threat of death might be the thing that sways the convert ----- especially, if one doesn't have a clue either way... How many guys with little area rugs bumping their heads 3 times against the floor towards MECCA have even read the Quran? I mean are Quran studies even a thing?

Source for the above bolded claim?

Yes or no: are you abandoning your claim that the speed at which a religion spreads determines whether or not it’s true?

And yes, “Quran studies” are a thing. There are Madrassas all over the planet where they extensively study the Quran.

But way to show how massively ignorant you are. Epic self own.

 

[devildavid]

They aren't just stories, they are testimonials/accounts. Police can and do look through various accounts of crimes and get a feel that there are differences between made up stories actual eyewitness reports. Things that made no real sense at the time were found to give clues that only now make sense.

Police reports are not just stories. They see the scene of the crime, take pictures, collect evidence. The bible is full of made up stories, not written by eyewitnesses. You can tell by how they are written.

 

[devildavid]

It seems to me that Christianity had to find its way to the Moslem areas before there were Moslems. The issue was that Moslems would threaten to kill anyone who would not convert. If one isn't a real Christian, one wouldn't care one way or the other ---- however, the threat of death might be the thing that sways the convert ----- especially, if one doesn't have a clue either way... How many guys with little area rugs bumping their heads 3 times against the floor towards MECCA have even read the Quran? I mean are Quran studies even a thing?

You are wrong about Muslims and have revealed your prejudice toward them.

 

[LittleNipper]

You are wrong about Muslims and have revealed your prejudice toward them.

Oh, so they do not have to pray 5 times a day? They don't have prayer rugs, and they don't pray facing Mecca? Do they all totally read their Quran cover to cover? I'm sorry but don't you demonstrate prejudice towards CHRISTIANS all the time. Did I say anything untrue? Then perhaps what you say is even more WRONG, since you say it even more often.

 

[devildavid]

Oh, so they do not have to pray 5 times a day? They don't have prayer rugs, and they don't pray facing Mecca? Do they all totally read their Quran cover to cover? I'm sorry but don't you demonstrate prejudice towards CHRISTIANS all the time. Did I say anything untrue? Then perhaps what you say is even more WRONG, since you say it even more often.

I have not disparaged christians or muslims at all. You know exactly how you described them, and it wasn't just stating facts. Open your heart and maybe you will see the error of your ways.

 

[Gordy327]

They aren't just stories, they are testimonials/accounts. Police can and do look through various accounts of crimes and get a feel that there are differences between made up stories actual eyewitness reports. Things that made no real sense at the time were found to give clues that only now make sense.

Once again, testimonial is the weakest form of evidence and unreliable. Without facts or evidence to back them up, they are little more than just stories.

Were their lives prophecies? Did they die to bring salvation to anyone? Did they come back from the dead? Did they bring about the formation of a very fast spreading belief worldwide?

Again, more stories. You're simply assuming it's true.

If it didn't happen, why would the faith grow so rapidly?

Religion can grow like a cancer. Of course, according to historical records, it's spread really started taking off when Emperor Constantine adopted Christianity and further bolstered by Charlemange. Nothing like a powerful and influential figures to give a boost to the popularity to something. Kind of like the ancient world version of a celebrity endorsement.

It is even believed that the Roman soldiers helped to spread the faith. There were Roman soldiers guarding the tomb ---- the one the angel rolled the stone away from.

Key word there is "believed." But as we know, belief does not equal fact.

 

[RAMOSS]

Last I saw they all believed in a resurrected Jesus as their Savior.



How about you show us the empirical evidence for anyone in ancient history (2,000 or so years ago)?? If you can't, your empirical evidence reasoning doesn't work for historical individuals, and you should admit it.

Also, do you know of any historian of antiquity who has presented empirical evidence for an individual of that time period (1st century or thereabouts)? If so identify them and show the scientific criteria they used.

King Tut. We got his body.

 

[RAMOSS]

There is empirical evidence; however, are you receptive or just ready to ignore it.
Consider the following: https://robertcliftonrobinson.com/2...al-evidence-for-jesus-death-and-resurrection/

This is taking a claim (the stories in the gospel) as evidence of those claims. it doesn't work that way, and that is not empirical evidence.

 

[RAMOSS]

Please name one that changed the society of its day.

Please name one that didn't.

 

[LittleNipper]

Please name one that didn't.

Egyptian gods became, Greek gods became Roman gods. They acted the same way, they did the same things. Actually, it was Jewish teachings that began to infiltrate and change societies from the CITY god of every town and province and bring people to question MONARCH gods (the Pharaoh and Cesar were all deified) ----- but placed the ruler under GOD. It took a while but eventually the inevitable happened. Now we aspire to ONE NATION UNDER GOD and not one nation ruled by a god. But CHRIST shall return and there will be for 1000 years of ABSOLUTE RULE BY GOD. This should be most interesting. The lion will sleep with the lamb and the baby will put his hand in the serpent's nest and not be hurt...

 

[RAMOSS]

Egyptian gods became, Greek gods became Roman gods. They acted the same way, they did the same things. Actually, it was Jewish teachings that began to infiltrate and change societies from the CITY god of every town and province and bring people to question MONARCH gods (the Pharaoh and Cesar were all deified) ----- but placed the ruler under GOD. It took a while but eventually the inevitable happened. Now we aspire to ONE NATION UNDER GOD and not one nation ruled by a god. But CHRIST shall return and there will be for 1000 years of ABSOLUTE RULE BY GOD. This should be most interesting. The lion will sleep with the lamb and the baby will put his hand in the serpent's nest and not be hurt...

Totally not relevant, and more unsupported claims, with a buch of gobble gook thrown in for good measure.

 

[LittleNipper]

Totally not relevant, and more unsupported claims, with a bunch of gobble gook thrown in for good measure.

You obviously have your mind made up.

 

[RAMOSS]

You obviously have your mind made up.

Why, when it comes to the claims of the Christianity, and how the claims of conservative Christinity have been falsified, because it is physically impossible, then yes. But, well, I can chance my mind if presented with actual objective evidence, but there is a certain class of Christians that can't understand the difference between a claim and evidence.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why, when it comes to the claims of the Christianity, and how the claims of conservative Christianity have been falsified, because it is physically impossible, then yes. But, well, I can chance my mind if presented with actual objective evidence, but there is a certain class of Christians that can't understand the difference between a claim and evidence.

Criterion of falsifiability, in the philosophy of science, a standard of evaluation of putatively scientific theories, according to which a theory is genuinely scientific only if it is possible in principle to establish that it is false.

 

[RAMOSS]

criterion of falsifiability, in the philosophy of science, a standard of evaluation of putatively scientific theories, according to which a theory is genuinely scientific only if it is possible in principle to establish that it is false.

And, when it comes to many of the claims of Christinaity, they have been falsified. Such as 'walking on water' , 'resurrection', 'turning water into wine', and things like that.

 

[Mulefoot]

And, when it comes to many of the claims of Christinaity, they have been falsified. Such as 'walking on water' , 'resurrection', 'turning water into wine', and things like that.

Link?

 

[Gordy327]

And, when it comes to many of the claims of Christinaity, they have been falsified. Such as 'walking on water' , 'resurrection', 'turning water into wine', and things like that.

You know many theists will just claim "miracles" and leave it at that. Such is an emotionally pleasing "explanation" which requires no further thought or investigation.