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As Science Learns More, God/s Are Needed Less

When people hear voices in their head and/or talk back, that's usually a sign of mental illness. But when that voice is "god," somehow it gets a free pass. Go figure.
What about when that little voice successfully convinces those whose minds have become sufficiently weak that they are magna-genius climate justice superheroes who are charged with "saving the planet" from "Global Warming" ... and from the evil capitalists who won't be happy until all life on the planet is dead?
 
Other people have said pretty much this as well: You try too hard. I don't think you have any idea how you come across... but it is not positive. Anyway... expected idiotic reply incoming.
Your streak is in no danger. As a bonus, very few will realize that the strange irritating mental drain they have been feeling is actually coming from your posts ... which, incidentally, have developed a thought event horizon.
 
What about when that little voice successfully convinces those whose minds have become sufficiently weak that they are magna-genius climate justice superheroes who are charged with "saving the planet" from "Global Warming" ... and from the evil capitalists who won't be happy until all life on the planet is dead?
Nonsense like that does not help your argument, whatever it is.
 
Your streak is in no danger. As a bonus, very few will realize that the strange irritating mental drain they have been feeling is actually coming from your posts ... which, incidentally, have developed a thought event horizon.
There it is. Expected stupid response received!! LOL
What about when that little voice successfully convinces those whose minds have become sufficiently weak that they are magna-genius climate justice superheroes who are charged with "saving the planet" from "Global Warming" ... and from the evil capitalists who won't be happy until all life on the planet is dead?
I never talked about Global Warming so of course you think that I have.
That pronoun "it" ... that you are using in place of the antecedent "global climate" ... yeah, that's what you are supposed to be defining ... unambiguously ... so that science can apply to it. Science cannot be applied to undefined religious terms.

Let me know when you can't do it so I can remind you that "global climate" is just a vestige of your WACKY religion. ... but go ahead and give it try just for schyttz'n grynnz.
Did Christians chase you when you were a kid because you have quite the phobia.
 
Nonsense like that does not help your argument, whatever it is.
Your denial over your WACKY religion does, in fact, help bring levity to a board otherwise devoid of anything interesting.

When did you first become a member of the congregation? How difficult did your recruiters find it to get you to abandon science ... or did you not have any to begin with?

Praise Climate! (PBUH)
 
I never talked about Global Warming so of course you think that I have.
I was responding to someone else. Your vanity, of course, is humorous.

Did Christians chase you when you were a kid because you have quite the phobia.
So you were a Christian at one point ... before you ditched the faith to join the Climate Change congregation. Interesting. Christianity wasn't doing it for you?
 
Anything you don't understand, you attribute to God. God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it.” ― Carl Sagan, Contact

Throughout human history and across many cultures, probably going back to the Stone Age, humans have engaged in a "god of the gaps" mentality when it came to the inexplicable or phenomenon that was not understood. Basically, the god of the gaps argument states that any gap in our knowledge or understanding can be explained or filled by inserting the deity of one's choice as an explanation. For example, ancient Greeks would view the sun "travelling" across the sky. We know it's due to the Earth's rotation. But the Greeks believed the god Apollo pulled it across the sky with his chariot. Thunder and lightning? We understand weather conditions and phenomenon. Ancient Greeks believed it was Zeus and he was probably pissed off about something. Volcano eruptions, earthquakes, ocean waves, seasonal changes, ect., all largely explained and understood by science today. But ancient people across different cultures and times thought it was due to god/s. This is still (amazingly and unfortunately) prevalent today. It's evident when a theist invokes creationism or Intelligent Design, or something along those theistic lines as an explanation for how/why we (humans, Earth, the universe, ect.) are here. It's a convenient and emotionally pleasing explanation to what is otherwise unknown. But such a thought process is intellectually lazy and possibly dishonest.

But God/s is not. an explanation for anything. It's a failure to explain. It's an "I don't know" wrapped in a theological package. Crediting god/s only means the one invoking them actually has no idea and cannot admit that. As Jerry Coyne once said (as cited in 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins, 2006), "If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labelling our ignorance "God".' But science seeks out questions and the unknown. It doesn't make assumptions and then call it a day. Science practitioners will look for objective, empirical evidence and (hopefully) follow that evidence to where it leads and not to where they or anyone wants it to go. And when science encounters a mystery that it cannot explain, then the correct and honest response is "I/we don't know." But making something up or making assumptions like "God/s did it" just to explain something or satisfy a personal belief or whim is neither correct or honest.

Fortunately, over the centuries, science has advanced and developed tools to further its advancement and information gathering. The result is a much greater understanding of the natural world and why thing actually work the way they do. As the "gaps" in our knowledge become filled, god/s are objectively needed less and less, if at all. Granted, there is still much we do not know or understand and some questions may never be answered. Such mysteries are intellectually stimulating and must be solved, if possible. But not at the expense of intellectual integrity by utilizing an easy, convenient "answer" that is really no answer at all. It's one thing to have and appreciate a mystery. But it's quite another to want to keep it mysterious.
eh, I think such simplistic thinking absolutely exists, and was much more common ancient ages, sure

but I think it's even more true that modern atheism is just another display dunning-kruger effect: people, who otherwise already have an insufferable ego, get a small taste of science without any understanding of how little they actually know about science.

"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." - Werner Heisenberg
 
Obviously...
Too funny! You mistakenly assumed that I had to be responding to you! Awesome.

People with an IQ above 75 understand what I did. LOL
... because you think intelligence is a numerical value. Go teaching degree!

So because you claim to have been abducted by aliens you decided to fear Christians?
I don't fear Christians. I just wanted to know if you had been one before becoming a non-Christian. That's all.
 
Too funny! You mistakenly assumed that I had to be responding to you! Awesome.


... because you think intelligence is a numerical value. Go teaching degree!


I don't fear Christians. I just wanted to know if you had been one before becoming a non-Christian. That's all
Do you remember the names of the Christian girls that bullied you as a child or is it just a nightmare now?
 
eh, I think such simplistic thinking absolutely exists, and was much more common ancient ages, sure
It still exists today in abundance.
but I think it's even more true that modern atheism is just another display dunning-kruger effect: people, who otherwise already have an insufferable ego, get a small taste of science without any understanding of how little they actually know about science.
Then you don't understand atheism. No one is claiming they know all about science or what science shows. If anything, learning something in science leads to more questions. But neither do they simply accept dogmatic claims sans evidence. But atheists are generally simply not convinced there is a god, but are willing to reconsider should evidence be forthcoming. As it stands, there is no such evidence.
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." - Werner Heisenberg
Just a fancier way of saying "god did it," in an emotionally satisfying way.
 
Your denial over your WACKY religion does, in fact, help bring levity to a board otherwise devoid of anything interesting.

When did you first become a member of the congregation? How difficult did your recruiters find it to get you to abandon science ... or did you not have any to begin with?

Praise Climate! (PBUH)
I do not have nor follow any religion. So your statement is both flawed and laughable.
 
The fact is that you have never had a heart to heart conversation with GOD. Maybe you wouldn't be so smug. You accept what is convenient for your lifestyle. The BIG BANG means nothing at all to me ----- there are no facts only "educated guesses" that are adjustable to suit criteria that is forever changing...

What does God’s voice sound like?
 
OK.

But there are forces at work in the Universe that science and logic won't ever explain because they are beyond the realms of human perception and understanding.
Its true, our senses and intelligence are limited thus we create gods and idols for relief.
 
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." - Werner Heisenberg

Well, I hope things worked out for Dr. Heisenberg.

But my loot is on the hypothesis that he didn't go anywhere, or meet any alleged gods, after he croaked back in '76.

Not surprisingly, many/most scientists are atheists...
 
Theists might invoke God as an explanation. But God is not an explanation for anything. It's a failure to explain. A theological "I don't know."

That failure to explain explained by God only knows and mere humans cannot understand God until God lets them know. Until then, you'll have to ignorantly wait.
 
Yes and no. It's impossible to interpret any science without taking various philosophical positions. An equation is objective, but translating it into a conceptual understanding of reality takes philosophical leaps. As I mentioned above, scientific realism itself is not some objective default, it's an affirmative philosophical position. Take quantum mechanics, where the formalism is not in question (and is objectively quite accurate in a prediction-making sense), but the interpretation of the formalism and how to understand what it's telling us about what the universe is "really" like has been a source of heated--and unresolved--debate for a century.
Are you talking about ancient philosophers like Descartes or Kant, those days are gone my friend. Any philosophy taking place today is in the hearts and minds of our leading scientist.

The late Stephen Hawkings comes to mind.
 
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mere humans cannot understand God until God lets them know. Until then, you'll have to ignorantly wait.
Really, wow!! When it happens will god comunicate via a phone, email, I mean how does it work.
 
Are you talking about ancient philosophers like Descartes or Kant, those days are gone my friend. Any philosophy taking place today is in the hearts and minds of our leading scientist.
For the most part, I agree! That's why it's important that they--and those to whom they communicate--are cognizant of the philosophical positions they're incorporating into their worldviews and into their presentation of any ontological implications they believe their work has.
 
Actual evidence discredits such claims.

Do you even know anything about evolution?

AiG is not a scientific source and is just religious nonsense.

Is that why most species throughout history have gone extinct? Humans are the most adaptable. Other species, not so much.

That displays a profound misunderstanding of evolution.

Human intervention in dog breeds demonstrates artificial selection, not unlike natural selection. But it demonstrates how evolution works.

I wrote an article once which explained and largely discredits that myth. Perhaps I'll post it here in the near future?

What exactly is "godless research?"
The mere fact that dogs have a common ancestor actually proves a key tenant of evolutionary theory.
 
Love science and the advancement of science and knowledge. However by definition, science explores natural explanations only. If you pre-determine to rely only on science for explanations, you will by definition, reach natural conclusions only. Which is fine, but those conclusions may not encompass all reality.
This is correct. There are even different standards and practices between the natural and social sciences because social sciences have a REALLY hard time reproducing the same outcomes to the extent the natural sciences can.
 
The mere fact that dogs have a common ancestor actually proves a key tenant of evolutionary theory.
Indeed. And humans domestication and selective breeding of ancient wolves into todays various dog breeds demonstrates the process of selection, albeit artificial in this case.
That failure to explain explained by God only knows and mere humans cannot understand God until God lets them know. Until then, you'll have to ignorantly wait.
That sounds like an advocation of ignorance. Sorry, but not everyone wants to remain ignorant and/or stupid. Some actually have a desire to learn, explore, investigate, and grow. Not succumb to intellectual laziness.
 
Indeed. And humans domestication and selective breeding of ancient wolves into todays various dog breeds demonstrates the process of selection, albeit artificial in this case.

That sounds like an advocation of ignorance. Sorry, but not everyone wants to remain ignorant and/or stupid. Some actually have a desire to learn, explore, investigate, and grow. Not succumb to intellectual laziness.
Im just waiting for the crocoduck claim. I always get a giggle out of that.
 
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