As a conservative, I'm torn

[00timh]

I will not be voting for Romney this year. Not for Obama either. I am not torn on that. What I am torn on though is that due to the extremely poor performance by Obama and the democrats, they do not deserve to win the election this November. However, should Romney win the election, the GOP will remain as is and true conservative governing will once again be pushed aside while the status quo remains intact and our great country continues to sit quagmired in its current state of economic malaise. And that is the best case scenario. It could get far worse.

A Romney loss will energize conservatives to either up and leave the GOP or force a full on civil war and clear out all the dead wood neocons that have created this rotted corpse of a conservative party. It can be revived. Reagan did a good job with that and it didn't take long at all. GWHB did not carry on good conservative economic policies and the results were all too typical. Credos to the last U.S. POTUS with good foreign policy, but otherwise a dismal 4 years in office.

A Romney loss will get things in motion. Most moderates and liberals don't even know what a true conservative is anymore. So many on here automatically think I have views and beliefs based on social issues I do not have. Or beliefs on foreign policy I do not have. Economic policies that are 180 from what I believe in.

Nothing would please me more than to see the type of failure we have seen these last 4 years be voted out of office. It is the American way. Rarely has a failed U.S. president been rewarded with a 2nd term. In some cases, such as LBJ, to be forced out by his own party to not even run when able to. For Obama to lose though will mean the continued downturn of the country, in a very similar fashion to what Obama will take us, but yet without a strong conservative voice of any kind. A true conservative base and voice that has offered this country its greatest successes and achievements.

 

[Travis007]

please vote for Romney..if he loses you will lose your country.. and the GOP will not be "energized"...

 

[Carleen]

I will not be voting for Romney this year. Not for Obama either. I am not torn on that. What I am torn on though is that due to the extremely poor performance by Obama and the democrats, they do not deserve to win the election this November. However, should Romney win the election, the GOP will remain as is and true conservative governing will once again be pushed aside while the status quo remains intact and our great country continues to sit quagmired in its current state of economic malaise. And that is the best case scenario. It could get far worse.

A Romney loss will energize conservatives to either up and leave the GOP or force a full on civil war and clear out all the dead wood neocons that have created this rotted corpse of a conservative party. It can be revived. Reagan did a good job with that and it didn't take long at all. GWHB did not carry on good conservative economic policies and the results were all too typical. Credos to the last U.S. POTUS with good foreign policy, but otherwise a dismal 4 years in office.

A Romney loss will get things in motion. Most moderates and liberals don't even know what a true conservative is anymore. So many on here automatically think I have views and beliefs based on social issues I do not have. Or beliefs on foreign policy I do not have. Economic policies that are 180 from what I believe in.

Nothing would please me more than to see the type of failure we have seen these last 4 years be voted out of office. It is the American way. Rarely has a failed U.S. president been rewarded with a 2nd term. In some cases, such as LBJ, to be forced out by his own party to not even run when able to. For Obama to lose though will mean the continued downturn of the country, in a very similar fashion to what Obama will take us, but yet without a strong conservative voice of any kind. A true conservative base and voice that has offered this country its greatest successes and achievements.

The reason Romney is not liked by his own party is that he is not a true conserative. The sheelacking the dems took in 2010 produced a whole new breed of conservatism called the tea party, remember? Moderate is now a dirty word to the new repubs. If Romney is elected he will need to be "severly" (his word) conserative to get things done is congress. I'm not sure he will do that given his record as governor. On the other hand Obama will continue to be stymied by the congress like he is now. I don't see much change no matter who is elected.

 

[rocket88]

I will not be voting for Romney this year. Not for Obama either. I am not torn on that. What I am torn on though is that due to the extremely poor performance by Obama and the democrats, they do not deserve to win the election this November. However, should Romney win the election, the GOP will remain as is and true conservative governing will once again be pushed aside while the status quo remains intact and our great country continues to sit quagmired in its current state of economic malaise. And that is the best case scenario. It could get far worse.

A Romney loss will energize conservatives to either up and leave the GOP or force a full on civil war and clear out all the dead wood neocons that have created this rotted corpse of a conservative party. It can be revived. Reagan did a good job with that and it didn't take long at all. GWHB did not carry on good conservative economic policies and the results were all too typical. Credos to the last U.S. POTUS with good foreign policy, but otherwise a dismal 4 years in office.

A Romney loss will get things in motion. Most moderates and liberals don't even know what a true conservative is anymore. So many on here automatically think I have views and beliefs based on social issues I do not have. Or beliefs on foreign policy I do not have. Economic policies that are 180 from what I believe in.

Nothing would please me more than to see the type of failure we have seen these last 4 years be voted out of office. It is the American way. Rarely has a failed U.S. president been rewarded with a 2nd term. In some cases, such as LBJ, to be forced out by his own party to not even run when able to. For Obama to lose though will mean the continued downturn of the country, in a very similar fashion to what Obama will take us, but yet without a strong conservative voice of any kind. A true conservative base and voice that has offered this country its greatest successes and achievements.

The Republican party never was the home of the far Right, nor was the Democratic Party the home of the far Left. Both have always been more toward the center. The choice given by the two major parties is almost always slightly right of center vs. slightly left of center. (Despite the desperate attemps by many to demonize either).

The problem you face is that you do not want to hold your nose and pick "slightly right." I can't name a Presidential candidate that I've ever agreed with 100%. I'm voting for Romney, even though he's significantly to my right, because I think the one thing we need is new leadership. We need to re-energize the economy, and I hope he can do that. If he can't, there's another election in 2016.

 

[Romulus]

We have to elect Romney first, to see how he'll govern. (My best Pelosi impersonation) eace

 

[Travis007]

The reason Romney is not liked by his own party is that he is not a true conserative. The sheelacking the dems took in 2010 produced a whole new breed of conservatism called the tea party, remember? Moderate is now a dirty word to the new repubs. If Romney is elected he will need to be "severly" (his word) conserative to get things done is congress. I'm not sure he will do that given his record as governor. On the other hand Obama will continue to be stymied by the congress like he is now. I don't see much change no matter who is elected.

Thank God for Congress...Obama had 2 years to ruin the country..

 

[Jetboogieman]

if he loses you will lose your country...

Oh no the sky is falling! The Sky is Falling! :roll:

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh no the sky is falling! The Sky is Falling! :roll:

Confirmed scientific fact. Every day Obama remains president, the sky is two inches lower.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Confirmed scientific fact. Every day Obama remains president, the sky is two inches lower.

10 chars.

 

[AdamT]

Confirmed scientific fact. Every day Obama remains president, the sky is two inches lower.

I'm sick of this Two-Incher nonsense.

 

[00timh]

The Republican party never was the home of the far Right, nor was the Democratic Party the home of the far Left. Both have always been more toward the center. The choice given by the two major parties is almost always slightly right of center vs. slightly left of center. (Despite the desperate attemps by many to demonize either).

The problem you face is that you do not want to hold your nose and pick "slightly right." I can't name a Presidential candidate that I've ever agreed with 100%. I'm voting for Romney, even though he's significantly to my right, because I think the one thing we need is new leadership. We need to re-energize the economy, and I hope he can do that. If he can't, there's another election in 2016.

Romney and the current GOP establishment is in no way true conservatism. What we are sadly witnessing is the current abomination of the dichotomy of right and left, which is in no way conservative or liberal.

Romney's own words, which I despise "severely conservative" are a freudian slip if ever I heard one. Such a negative connotation of the very ideology he supposedly represents. I got a severe headache when I saw a replay of him saying that. True conservatism is not far right, or severe anything. It is merely a solid ideology based on a set of political principles which put the people before the government.

 

[Bobcat]

Romney and the current GOP establishment is in no way true conservatism. What we are sadly witnessing is the current abomination of the dichotomy of right and left, which is in no way conservative or liberal.

Romney's own words, which I despise "severely conservative" are a freudian slip if ever I heard one. Such a negative connotation of the very ideology he supposedly represents. I got a severe headache when I saw a replay of him saying that. True conservatism is not far right, or severe anything. It is merely a solid ideology based on a set of political principles which put the people before the government.

The sad truth of 2012 is that a not voting or voting for a third party is the same as voting for Obama. If you want 4 more years of obama, stay home and don't vote.

As someone said earlier, another obama term will take the country so far to the left that it will be lost. We are at a crossroads, this is the most important election since 1776.

Put your pride aside and help Romney remove Obama from power. If we fail in that, nothing else matters.

 

[00timh]

The sad truth of 2012 is that a not voting or voting for a third party is the same as voting for Obama. If you want 4 more years of obama, stay home and don't vote.

As someone said earlier, another obama term will take the country so far to the left that it will be lost. We are at a crossroads, this is the most important election since 1776.

Put your pride aside and help Romney remove Obama from power. If we fail in that, nothing else matters.

What is the point if we remove Obama in office but remain on the same course? Sure, replace the captain of the boat with another who is still steering us into the iceberg. We are still gonna hit it regardless. I am torn because of the principle of replacing failure, not rewarding it. However, in so doing we are in fact delaying changing the course which our country is now set on. We are 4 more years down this path regardless.

 

[Blue_State]

If you are in NY, I don't believe a vote for Romney will help at all. NY will more than likely go to Obama.

 

[Bobcat]

What is the point if we remove Obama in office but remain on the same course? Sure, replace the captain of the boat with another who is still steering us into the iceberg. We are still gonna hit it regardless. I am torn because of the principle of replacing failure, not rewarding it. However, in so doing we are in fact delaying changing the course which our country is now set on. We are 4 more years down this path regardless.

I disagree, we know what 4 more years of obama will bring. Why no put a businessman in charge and let him try to turn the mess around? How do you KNOW that 4 years of Romney would be the same as 4 more under obozo?

The real difference is in philosophy, Obama showed his with his "you didn't build it" comment. Romney created jobs and made money for the owners and employees of several companies. Obama hates the USA and its capitalist system. He wants the US to copy the failed socialism of Europe.

The choice could not be more clear.

 

[Bobcat]

If you are in NY, I don't believe a vote for Romney will help at all. NY will more than likely go to Obama.

probably true, the 7 or 8 swing states will decide this election. But thats no reason to stay home in NY or any other blue state. You just might be surprised.

 

[Anagram]

probably true, the 7 or 8 swing states will decide this election. But thats no reason to stay home in NY or any other blue state. You just might be surprised.

If Obama would need help to win New York than Romney would've already won the election anyway. Same thing here in Missouri but the opposite which is why I'm thinking of voting 3rd party so long as it doesn't seem close.

 

[00timh]

It is entirely principle for me as to not vote for Romney. And, swing state or not does not matter to me.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It is entirely principle for me as to not vote for Romney. And, swing state or not does not matter to me.

You are in new york state, you can pretty much vote how you want without affecting the election due to the nature of the electoral college.

 

[zstep18]

We are at a crossroads, this is the most important election since 1776.

I don't even have a response for this except that it's an extremely bold, almost comical statement. I don't see how this in anyway is the most important election in the history of the United States.

 

[00timh]

I disagree, we know what 4 more years of obama will bring. Why no put a businessman in charge and let him try to turn the mess around? How do you KNOW that 4 years of Romney would be the same as 4 more under obozo?

The real difference is in philosophy, Obama showed his with his "you didn't build it" comment. Romney created jobs and made money for the owners and employees of several companies. Obama hates the USA and its capitalist system. He wants the US to copy the failed socialism of Europe.

The choice could not be more clear.

I completely agree with you about Obama. However, Romney is not this do gooder business man by any means. He uses the system to gain personal advantage without regard to others. His stances and opinions are so varied over even short amounts of time. His style of governing also is at odds with his campaigning, ala Obama. I have zero trust in Romney for what he says and his style of governing has been big government progressive.

He has on several occasions slipped out things which give clues to his mindset of conservatives and the middle class, which are the back bone of this country.

 

[00timh]

I don't even have a response for this except that it's an extremely bold, almost comical statement. I don't see how this in anyway is the most important election in the history of the United States.

It is in reality one of the lamest in our countries history. Regardless of who wins, our path in governing will be all but identical.

 

[Dittohead not!]

The reason Romney is not liked by his own party is that he is not a true conserative. The sheelacking the dems took in 2010 produced a whole new breed of conservatism called the tea party, remember? Moderate is now a dirty word to the new repubs. If Romney is elected he will need to be "severly" (his word) conserative to get things done is congress. I'm not sure he will do that given his record as governor. On the other hand Obama will continue to be stymied by the congress like he is now. I don't see much change no matter who is elected.

Then you probably won't be disappointed, not like the conservatives who expect monumental changes by simply changing the party affiliation of the POTUS.

The fact of the matter is that Romney is not a whole lot different from Obama anyway, and that real, limited government conservatives are about as rare in Washington as whooping cranes.

Vote for Gary Johnson. He won't win, but at least a good showing might send a message to the voters that will bear fruit somewhere down the road.

 

[rocket88]

Romney and the current GOP establishment is in no way true conservatism. What we are sadly witnessing is the current abomination of the dichotomy of right and left, which is in no way conservative or liberal.

They never were. There are occasional twitches more to the right, but they're already starting to head back toward the center. Historically, that's where the Republicans have been. There have always been, and always will be groups or parties to the right of the GOP.

The decision you have to make is this: Is Obama bad enough that I'll do anything within my power to get him out? Is Obama so horrible, that ANY alternative is better? If you don't think that Romney will make much of a difference, then you should vote third party.

Don't listen to the shills, and don't give a crap about the electoral college. You have to sleep with yourself at night. You have to look yourself in the mirror in the morning.

Now, I think Romney is conservative, in that he favors the status quo generally speaking. No candidate is ever going to mirror your views 100%, because you and that person are both individuals. Are you willing to take "more or less conservative," because no matter what you think "real conservatism" is, there's probably a whole bunch of conservatives who disagree.

 

[rocket88]

Then you probably won't be disappointed, not like the conservatives who expect monumental changes by simply changing the party affiliation of the POTUS.

I hate that. Though Romney (and any candidate, frankly) feeds into that. Like when he says "I'll repeal Obamacare on day 1." Only if Congress passes it through both houses on Day 1! You can't retroactively veto bills!