Article on Palestinians' right to armed resistance

[Craig234]

Palestinians have a legal right to resist the occupation by the rogue terrorist state, with armed resistance. The propaganda/hasbara of the occupiers is to lie that the legal armed resistance to their criminal occupation is "terrorism".

Palestinians have a legal right to armed struggle

It’s time for Israel to accept that as an occupied people, Palestinians have a right to resist – in every way possible.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Allan]

October 7 was not 'resistance'.

 

[Tigerace117]

October 7 was not 'resistance'.

Great, so what form of armed Palestinian resistance to Israel is acceptable, then?

 

[Craig234]

Great, so what form of armed Palestinian resistance to Israel is acceptable, then?

And practical. I'd like to hear from the genocide defenders the practical options Palestinians had/have to get their thousands of hostages back, and to defend against the 'mowing the lawn' murders of their civilian population, and the illegal blockade of Gaza. Of course they have zero answers - they not only don't care about the Palestinians' rights, they support the crimes.

 

[Fledermaus]

And practical. I'd like to hear from the genocide defenders the practical options Palestinians had/have to get their thousands of hostages back, and to defend against the 'mowing the lawn' murders of their civilian population, and the illegal blockade of Gaza. Of course they have zero answers - they not only don't care about the Palestinians' rights, they support the crimes.

As stated October 7 was not 'resistance'.

Resistance would be strikes against the IDF and not the killing or kidnapping of innocent civilians.

 

[oneworld2]

October 7 was not 'resistance'.

A lot of it was but it's buried under a whole mountain of Israeli/western propaganda.

 

[Allan]

A lot of it was

Nope. Intentionally killing innocent civilians is not resistance.

 

[Fledermaus]

A lot of it was but it's buried under a whole mountain of Israeli/western propaganda.

Tell us how attacking a festival, murder of innocents and kidnapping civilians was legitimate resistance.


ETA - The barrage of at roughly 4,300 rockets launched into Israel,

 

[oneworld2]

And practical. I'd like to hear from the genocide defenders the practical options Palestinians had/have to get their thousands of hostages back, and to defend against the 'mowing the lawn' murders of their civilian population, and the illegal blockade of Gaza. Of course they have zero answers - they not only don't care about the Palestinians' rights, they support the crimes.

Once again there is a stark difference in how things are presented to us.

Ukrainians living under illegal Russian occupation have been armed to the hilt and as such can engage the Russian military.

Palestinians living under illegal Israeli occupation for a vastly longer period of time have seen all the weapons going to the illegal occupiers, along with the crucial diplomatic support given to hamstring the global consensus on the resolution of the conflict.

Perception management is critical in the " free societies" and so we see these obvious contradictions being widely accepted and even supported even up to supporting a open genocide.

 

[Fledermaus]

Once again there is a stark difference in how things are presented to us.

Ukrainians living under illegal Russian occupation have been armed to the hilt and as such can engage the Russian military.

Palestinians living under illegal Israeli occupation for a vastly longer period of time have seen all the weapons going to the illegal occupiers, along with the crucial diplomatic support given to hamstring the global consensus on the resolution of the conflict.

Perception management is critical in the " free societies" and so we see these obvious contradictions being widely accepted and even supported even up to supporting a open genocide.

How many Russian civilians were intentionally killed by the Ukrainians as they resist the invasion?

 

[oneworld2]

Nope. Intentionally killing innocent civilians is not resistance.

Correct, intentionally killing innocent civilians is a war crime.

Israel also intentionally killed its own innocent civilians and so is guilty of the same crime against both its own people and the Palestinian people.

Every Israeli soldier killed on that day, and there were hundreds of them along with armed security/police/citizens, are legitimate targets and thus not crimes as in the above.

The problem for the truth about 7th October is that Israel and its western backers aren't letting it out and so we see this blanket smearing of Palestinian actions causing people to not see ANY legitimate resistance actions, like you haven't.

 

[oneworld2]

As stated October 7 was not 'resistance'.

Incorrect.

Resistance would be strikes against the IDF and not the killing or kidnapping of innocent civilians.

Hundreds of Israeli soldiers were killed or injured, along with armed police/security/citizens, none of which are illegitimate targets.

Israel even killed/murdered many of its own but people with western blinkers on or a vested interest in ignoring all of these facts refuse to let something like the truth influence their opinions some preferring to be genocide supporters like you are.

 

[Fledermaus]

Correct, intentionally killing innocent civilians is a war crime.

Israel also intentionally killed its own innocent civilians and so is guilty of the same crime against both its own people and the Palestinian people.

Every Israeli soldier killed on that day, and there were hundreds of them along with armed security/police/citizens, are legitimate targets and thus not crimes as in the above.

The problem for the truth about 7th October is that Israel and its western backers aren't letting it out and so we see this blanket smearing of Palestinian actions causing people to not see ANY legitimate resistance actions, like you haven't.

While attending the Nova music festival, 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded.

Isn't that about the same number of Israeli security forces?

 

[Fledermaus]

Incorrect.

Correct.

Hundreds of Israeli soldiers were killed or injured, along with armed police/security/citizens, none of which are illegitimate targets.

Practically matched by civilian casualties in the Nova festival alone. Civilians intentionally targeted.

Israel even killed/murdered many of its own but people with western blinkers on or a vested interest in ignoring all of these facts refuse to let something like the truth influence their opinions some preferring to be genocide supporters like you are.

At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive.

Yep.

14 we know of.

Indeed.

While 736 Israeli civilians and 79 foreign nationals were intentionally killed.

Molehill, meet Mountain.

 

[Fledermaus]

October 7–31, 2023: 8,500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel. About 10% of them were failed launches that landed in the Gaza Strip and in the sea.

November 1–7, 2023: 500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 9,000 since the beginning of October, and keeping a 10% rate of failed launches that fell inside the Gaza Strip and in the sea.[9]

November 8–12, 2023: Additional 500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 9,500 since the beginning of October, with the rate of failed launches that fell in the Gaza Strip and the sea rising to 12%.[10]

November 13–22, 2023: Additional 1000 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 10,500 since the beginning of October, with the rate of failed launches that fell in the Gaza Strip and the sea back to 10%.

Legitimate?

 

[oneworld2]

While attending the Nova music festival, 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded.

Killed by both Israeli forces and Palestinian forces but most of which will be war crimes

Isn't that about the same number of Israeli security forces?

All of which were legitimate targets as I have stated.

So to claim that the entire attack was " not resistance" isn't true is it?

We also don't know how many people outside of the army/police/security were killed as combatants with guns do we?

Hence the comments about the truth ( not that you care about it ) and the presentation of the attack in western circles.

Your comments don't negate mine, they actually support them, you just seem unaware of it.

 

[oneworld2]

Correct.

Ive just shown how and why it was an incorrect statement so your childish response it wasted and wrong again

Practically matched by civilian casualties in the Nova festival alone. Civilians intentionally targeted.

And as many military targeted.

You don't know how many of those killed at the music festival were killed by Israelis so maybe stop pretending you do?

At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive.

You don't know that and there is only the Israeli side to go on this with their track record of being serial liars presenting a massive problem

Yep.

14 we know of.

Indeed.

While 736 Israeli civilians and 79 foreign nationals were intentionally killed.

Molehill, meet Mountain.

You don't know FA, you just think you do, massive difference and when you factor in your obvious bias your comments of pretty much meaningless.

 

[oneworld2]

October 7–31, 2023: 8,500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel. About 10% of them were failed launches that landed in the Gaza Strip and in the sea.

November 1–7, 2023: 500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 9,000 since the beginning of October, and keeping a 10% rate of failed launches that fell inside the Gaza Strip and in the sea.[9]

November 8–12, 2023: Additional 500 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 9,500 since the beginning of October, with the rate of failed launches that fell in the Gaza Strip and the sea rising to 12%.[10]

November 13–22, 2023: Additional 1000 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 10,500 since the beginning of October, with the rate of failed launches that fell in the Gaza Strip and the sea back to 10%.

Legitimate?

All the rocket attacks are indiscriminate and thus war crimes. This is nothing new.

We are talking about the events of October 7th only.

The same can be said of many of the Israeli attacks during the same years you cite, you just mustn't count them as being relevant, colour me shocked!!

 

[Fledermaus]

Ive just shown how and why it was an incorrect statement so your childish response it wasted and wrong again

I've

And you imagine that all you want.

And as many military targeted.

The Nova civilian casualties roughly match Israeli security personnel casualties (Note, not all IDF)

You don't know how many of those killed at the music festival were killed by Israelis so maybe stop pretending you do?

At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive.

Yep.

14 we know of.

Indeed.

While 736 Israeli civilians and 79 foreign nationals were intentionally killed.

Molehill, meet Mountain.

You don't know that and there is only the Israeli side to go on this with their track record of being serial liars presenting a massive problem

You don't know FA, you just think you do, massive difference and when you factor in your obvious bias your comments of pretty much meaningless.

 

[Fledermaus]

All the rocket attacks are indiscriminate and thus war crimes. This is nothing new.

So, yes. Hamas terrorist strikes with rockets happened.

We are talking about the events of October 7th only.

4,300 rockets are 4,300 terrorist acts.

The same can be said of many of the Israeli attacks during the same years you cite, you just mustn't count them as being relevant, colour me shocked!!

BUTWHATABOUTISREAL......

 

[bythoughts]

Great, so what form of armed Palestinian resistance to Israel is acceptable, then?

The details are debatable, but see

Just war theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Craig234]

Just war theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why don't you be specific?

 

[oneworld2]

The details are debatable, but see

Just war theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just to be clear here, do you think Israel can claim " self defence" against those they are illegally occupying and illegally settling? We can also throw in ethnic cleansing ( happening long before 7th October ) and now genocide?

 

[oneworld2]

So, yes. Hamas terrorist strikes with rockets happened.

Nobody argues otherwise but people like you don't wish to include Israeli war crimes onto the ledger and thus make the same comparison and come to the same conclusion.

Why?

Because it completely destroys your preferred position of bias.

4,300 rockets are 4,300 terrorist acts.

And Israeli tank and bomb attacks in civilian infrastructure

In the first week, unrelenting Israeli air strikes dropped more bomb tonnage on Gaza than expended by the United States in an entire year in Afghanistan. The comparatively low-tech 155mm shell has also played its part; in the first seven weeks alone, Israel fired over 90,000 artillery shells into the Gaza

Imperialism’s Shell Game

While every possible form of pressure should be brought to bear on the Biden administration to cut off the flow of arms to Israel, the prevailing law and policy debate tends to obscure some key…

lpeproject.org

Does that equate to 90,000 Israeli terrorist attacks just with shells alone?

You also never answered the question as to whether you yourself can be considered a terrorists by using your own criteria. Is it problematic for you?

 

[oneworld2]

BUTWHATABOUTISREAL......

I get that those with horrific biases/bigoted views don't appreciate standards being applied equally so as to gain a more objective view with which to form an opinion but do you have to do it in such a childish way every time?

Is it aimed at trying to distract the reader from understanding your wish to hang onto that bias at all costs ?

Certainly seems like it to me.