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Arrest Warrant issued for Sudan's leader

Infinite Chaos

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The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Sudan's president on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Darfur.

But the court in The Hague stopped short of accusing Omar al-Bashir of genocide. He denies the charges.

Thousands of protesters took to the streets of the capital, Khartoum, after the announcement, amid fears of unrest.

The UN estimates about 300,000 people have died and millions been displaced in six years of conflict in Darfur.

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Speaking on Tuesday ahead of the announcement, Mr Bashir said the Hague tribunal could "eat" the arrest warrant.

He said it would "not be worth the ink it is written on" and then danced for thousands of cheering supporters who burned an effigy of the ICC chief prosecutor.
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Such a warrant is toothless unless we can ensure Bashir is arrested at the very next country he goes to visit. Sudan won't hand him or the other indicted over so the International Community has to step up and take responsibility. Pressure also needs to be brought to bear on those countries that would support Bashir - the Islamic league of nations have to rise above the idea of this being a "Western" police action and join calls for his arrest.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Such a warrant is toothless unless we can ensure Bashir is arrested at the very next country he goes to visit. Sudan won't hand him or the other indicted over so the International Community has to step up and take responsibility. Pressure also needs to be brought to bear on those countries that would support Bashir - the Islamic league of nations have to rise above the idea of this being a "Western" police action and join calls for his arrest.
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Iran, Hamas, and Hezballah have all stated that they support him. Therefore, we now have valid cause to launch a massive embargo on Iran.

It's time the Ayetolietbowl learned his despot days are numbered.
 
Vader said:
Iran, Hamas, and Hezballah have all stated that they support him --
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If that's true I can only think of the phrase about what the friends and company a man keeps tells you about him...
 
Why should we concern ourselves with this. I don't want another Black Hawk Down incident because of a half-hearted Democratic president.
 
How the heck are we meant to arrest him?

Send in SAS and kidnap? :doh
 
Laila said:
How the heck are we meant to arrest him?

Send in SAS and kidnap? :doh
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Good question.

I would say that it will take military action to effect the arrest.

He does need to be arrested and he does need to be hung for his crimes.
 
Laila said:
How the heck are we meant to arrest him?

Send in SAS and kidnap? :doh
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You've got to love the backlash from Sudan...

From the article said:
Sudan expelled at least six foreign aid agencies hours after the arrest warrant was issued, aid officials said. No reasons were given for the move.
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So the UN gets its grand, pointless gesture, and the people of Sudan get to suffer when these aid groups are kicked out in response.
 
Moon said:
You've got to love the backlash from Sudan...

So the UN gets its grand, pointless gesture, and the people of Sudan get to suffer when these aid groups are kicked out in response.
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What the President of Sudan is doing is proving why he needs to be arrested. He's a huge ****bag who needs to rot aimlessly in a cell at a prison run the same way his government runs it.

Let him reap what he has sewn.

Also... he's an ugly ****er.... he should have to wear an iron mask over his ass face.
 
Vader said:
What the President of Sudan is doing is proving why he needs to be arrested. He's a huge ****bag who needs to rot aimlessly in a cell at a prison run the same way his government runs it.

Let him reap what he has sewn.
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I agree, but who is going to arrest him? Certainly not the UN. Meanwhile, the people of Sudan (Darfur, remember?) get to suffer just a wee bit more because of grandstanding by the UN.

Vader said:
Also... he's an ugly ****er.... he should have to wear an iron mask over his ass face.
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That's not helpful or necessary.
 
Obama needs to stay the hell out of there, unless he plans to mean business all the way through.
 
Moon said:
I agree, but who is going to arrest him? Certainly not the UN. Meanwhile, the people of Sudan (Darfur, remember?) get to suffer just a wee bit more because of grandstanding by the UN.
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Don't blame the UN for the misbehavior of a 3rd world despot. He's a ****bag ... of course he is going to retaliate. We have to find a way to beat him at his own game.

The question is how?
 
Vader said:
Don't blame the UN for the misbehavior of a 3rd world despot. He's a ****bag ... of course he is going to retaliate. We have to find a way to beat him at his own game.

The question is how?
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I'm blaming the UN for the UN's impotent and ineffective actions. They've had years now to do something productive in Sudan, but have taken the lazy coward's way out, so now they do something that not only doesn't do anything to remove the leader of Sudan, but actually harms the people they claim they're trying to protect. That seems to be the UN's predominant track record..."oil for food", anyone? And why wouldn't he retaliate? Who's he supposed to be afraid of? The UN?

:rofl
 
Moon said:
I'm blaming the UN for the UN's impotent and ineffective actions. They've had years now to do something productive in Sudan, but have taken the lazy coward's way out, so now they do something that not only doesn't do anything to remove the leader of Sudan, but actually harms the people they claim they're trying to protect. That seems to be the UN's predominant track record..."oil for food", anyone? And why wouldn't he retaliate? Who's he supposed to be afraid of? The UN?

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Ok. I can live with that!!

Impotent ... yes.... this is a great adjetive for describing the UN.

LOL
 
I'm kind of late getting to this post... but I think It's pretty unfair to blame the UN for crises like these. Yes the UN has been ineffective in many of its policies, but the reason behind that is because many nations, especially more developed countries, won't give the UN their full backing and resources. If organizations like the UN and ICC aren't given any teeth by their member states or signatories then there's no way they can be expected to be effective.

Also, Bashir has now officially kicked out all aid organizations except for a few projects sponsored by the UN. I would encourage everyone who reads this forum to help get some immediate action from our Government by calling the genocide hotline (1-800-genocide) It's really easy and it really helps a lot.
 
zstickney said:
I'm kind of late getting to this post... but I think It's pretty unfair to blame the UN for crises like these. Yes the UN has been ineffective in many of its policies, but the reason behind that is because many nations, especially more developed countries, won't give the UN their full backing and resources. If organizations like the UN and ICC aren't given any teeth by their member states or signatories then there's no way they can be expected to be effective.

Also, Bashir has now officially kicked out all aid organizations except for a few projects sponsored by the UN. I would encourage everyone who reads this forum to help get some immediate action from our Government by calling the genocide hotline (1-800-genocide) It's really easy and it really helps a lot.
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The easiest way to fix this problem is a black op wherein Bashir's is arrested. If an arrest isn't possible, Bashir needs to be liquidated and his private guards need to be handed over to those they have been terrorising.

Bashir is a ****sucker and he needs to spend life in an non-islamic prison or he needs to eat a bullet.
 
zstickney said:
I'm kind of late getting to this post... but I think It's pretty unfair to blame the UN for crises like these. Yes the UN has been ineffective in many of its policies, but the reason behind that is because many nations, especially more developed countries, won't give the UN their full backing and resources. If organizations like the UN and ICC aren't given any teeth by their member states or signatories then there's no way they can be expected to be effective.

Also, Bashir has now officially kicked out all aid organizations except for a few projects sponsored by the UN. I would encourage everyone who reads this forum to help get some immediate action from our Government by calling the genocide hotline (1-800-genocide) It's really easy and it really helps a lot.
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We can't afford it.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What is? :confused:



the un is an inept corrupt criminal enterprise.
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I was saying that if we can't afford a free 3 minute phone call as a means to push anti-genocide legislation in the US then our own apathy towards world issues would be the real problem... I'm aware of the ineffectiveness of the UN, but I believe that the future of politics is going to be with international law. Clearly it would have to be done in a way different from how the UN or ICC do it, but I think the solution is, again, not to be apathetic towards the UN or ICC but to actively pursue their reformation.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The ICC?


That is about as worrisome as ben and jerry's accusing you of same.
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Just ask Charles Taylor, Milosevic or anyone else who has been through the ICC and found guilty. The ICC are simply courts of justice - it's the enforcement and bodies who are supposed to carry out the arrest that is the problem. They are putting the UN in a position it didn't want to be in i.e. leaving the problem to fester.
 
Nations who have the resources and ability to detain this man have no vested interest in Sudan. This includes the United States. When are people going to learn that the ICC rulings are never enforced unless it suits the interests of the Western powers? Everyone has their hands dirty in the region, and those who don't could care less. Sudan is inconsequential.

I'm sorry... I care about what's happening to the people, but I know the reality of the politics. Nothing is going to be done. Sudan was a prevalent issue even before Bush started saying that we need to save the Iraqi people by invading. It's all about whose agenda is served, no one really cares about humanity.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Just ask Charles Taylor, Milosevic or anyone else who has been through the ICC and found guilty. The ICC are simply courts of justice - it's the enforcement and bodies who are supposed to carry out the arrest that is the problem. They are putting the UN in a position it didn't want to be in i.e. leaving the problem to fester.
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my point. the un is a failure.
 
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