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Around 10,000 more COVID deaths in the last 7 days. When is enough, enough?

PeacefulWarrior said:
"You should get vaccinated". That one.

Nobody is being forced.
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You are wrong...

co·er·cion​
/kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/​
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The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.​

The Biden Administration is using coercion to force government workers into getting the vaccine or face termination and disqualification from receiving unemployment benefits, and to force businesses into requiring that their employees be vaccinated under threat of heavy fines.

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trouble13 said:
I don't know that at all. Progressive media are proven loans as well as the current administration.

The claim is that about 70% of the population is vaccinated and according to the data, our fatality rate under Biden has been about the same as when Trump was in office. How do you explain that?
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Simple, the delta variant is much more contagious than the original variants and has almost 10 times the average viral load. Just the same, you are 4.5 times more likely to be infected with Covid if you are unvaccinated, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are unvaccinated, and 11 times more likely to die if you are unvaccinated.

If you are not vaccinated, you need to be for your own health.
 
iguanaman said:
10,000 Americans died this month because of the unvaccinated. They are the willing hosts for the virus just like Mary was for typhoid. They need to be isolated or removed. They are not only killing themselves they are spreading it to the old with weakened immune systems who do not get enough protection from the vaccine. It is despicable.
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Who do you pattern your beliefs and philosophies after again... Is it Stalin, Mao or that chap with the short little mustache?

Which version of the vaccine's effectiveness are you going with?
1) The vaccine largely prevents serious illness and death should a person contract it, but doesn't prevent them from infecting others.
2) A significant number of people fully vaccinated are now dying from covid.

If it's choice "1", then those who are vaccinate have very little to worry about even if they contract the virus... If it's choice "2", then the vaccines diminished effectiveness doesn't warrant the government forcing people to take it, especially when you consider that a) it doesn't prevent contracting the virus, b) it doesn't prevent spreading the virus to others, c) natural immunity offers people significantly more protection than the vaccine does d) the vaccine's long term health effects are still unknown at this time, e) unless a person is over 60, very obese, or has serious underlying health condition, the virus doesn't pose a significant threat of being fatal, and f) although not very common, there have been some pretty serious side effects attributed to the vaccine, including some reported fatalities.

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Fledermaus said:
I am not a fan of forcing stupid people to do what is necessary to stop a Pandemic from hundreds of thousands....

But you can't fix stupid.
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Getting vaccinated isn't going to stop the pandemic... Unless they come up with something that prevents people from spreading the virus, covid19 is going to outlive us all.

It's time that we all accepted that covid is here to stay, and stop letting it run our lives. We need drop all these mandates and restrictions, take responsibility for protecting ourselves, and go back to living as normal a life as possible... Hell, if not for us do it for the children who've suffered far more than we have from all the restrictions and lock downs.

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Grim17 said:
Getting vaccinated isn't going to stop the pandemic... Unless they come up with something that prevents people from spreading the virus, covid19 is going to outlive us all.
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It will prevent deaths and serious illness.

Grim17 said:
It's time that we all accepted that covid is here to stay, and stop letting it run our lives. We need drop all these mandates and restrictions, take responsibility for protecting ourselves, and go back to living as normal a life as possible... Hell, if not for us do it for the children who've suffered far more than we have from all the restrictions and lock downs.
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Do what is needed to be done to stop the spread.
 
iguanaman said:
So now you are backpedaling. Just remember that most of those deaths will be Republicans. There is a silver lining to it after all and no one in their right mind blames Biden for the fools that refuse to vaccinate. Unlike Trump, Biden has done everything he can to save lives but you can't fix stupid. That is a big difference.

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I hate to break it to you but the largest subgroup of unvaccinated are independents, not Republicans.
 
Fledermaus said:
So what?

You can't math.

Show where Biden killed anyone or you are lying.



That would be a lie.



Show where Biden killed anyone or you are lying.
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I have already shown how victims are murdered under Biden's administration. Whether or not you want to face reality makes no difference to me. biden has murdered 355k and growing.
 
trouble13 said:
I hate to break it to you but the largest subgroup of unvaccinated are independents, not Republicans.
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Not really and most of those "independents" are righties too. Democrats have the highest vaccination rates by a mile.
 
trouble13 said:
I have already shown how victims are under Bidens administration. Whether or not you want to face reality makes no difference to me. biden has murdered 355k and growing.
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Who has Biden KILLED?

Show me the bodies.

You keep yammering about COVID deaths.

That isn't deaths caused by Biden.

It CERTAINLY isn't murder.
 
trouble13 said:
I have already shown how victims are under Bidens administration. Whether or not you want to face reality makes no difference to me. biden has murdered 355k and growing.
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I class most of the recent covid deaths as suicides since they are among the anti-vaxxers almost exclusively. Biden got them the vaccine and they refused it and died as a result.
 
CaughtInThe said:
More broken families. More parentless kids.


And we all know the bulk of the deaths are unvaccinated folks. They let their families down due to either stupidity or arrogance. Or they are brainwashed by others who push misinformation.
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Yes ... 336K deaths under the Biden administration and quickly approaching and surpassing Trump numbers ... what is Biden planning to do?
 
it's baffling that people can't even understand basic stuff. like how there were zero cases of COVID in our country early in 2020. and, you know, a ton in early 2021.

again, i'm convinced that most of the anti-vaxxers/idiots are TERRIBLE at math.
 
iguanaman said:
I class most of the recent covid deaths as suicides since they are among the anti-vaxxers almost exclusively.
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they are letting their families down.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Simple, the delta variant is much more contagious than the original variants and has almost 10 times the average viral load. Just the same, you are 4.5 times more likely to be infected with Covid if you are unvaccinated, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized if you are unvaccinated, and 11 times more likely to die if you are unvaccinated.

If you are not vaccinated, you need to be for your own health.
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Getting a vaccinated is a conversation between a person and their doctor. It's nobody else's business.
 
Fledermaus said:
Who has Biden KILLED?

Show me the bodies.

You keep yammering about COVID deaths.

That isn't deaths caused by Biden.

It CERTAINLY isn't murder.
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Sure it is. Biden's lack of leadership is why people continue to die from covid.

Joe biden is a cold uncaring sociopath who is ruled by his greed. I wonder how much of his art China had to purchase to keep the kung-fu I stopped.
 
Grim17 said:
Of course you do... Marching in lock step with a government that wants to use coercion to force people to take medicine against their will, is consistent with those who want to usher in an authoritarian dictatorship. My position on the other hand, allows each individual and/or family to decide for themselves how best to address the covid threat... A position which is consistent with those who support a democratic republic, and very nicely aligns with the rights and freedoms laid out in the constitutional and the bill of rights.

If the day ever comes where only the unvaccinated are capable of spreading the virus, that would make vaccine mandates something worthy of discussing.

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Some do support attempted insurrection to install a wannabe autocrat who lost an election.
 
iguanaman said:
I class most of the recent covid deaths as suicides since they are among the anti-vaxxers almost exclusively. Biden got them the vaccine and they refused it and died as a result.
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Biden a a cold hearted killed who put his own personal gains ahead of peoples welfare and as a result 100's of thousands of people have died.
 
trouble13 said:
Biden a a cold hearted killed who put his own personal gains ahead of peoples welfare and as a result 100's of thousands of people have died.
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You are thinking of the one term mistake, he was all of those things. Biden has used every trick in the book to try to get people to vaccinate and supports masking and all the other mitigation efforts. It is not his fault that you cannot fix stupid. You know this but think we are all as stupid as the unvaccinated.
 
trouble13 said:
Getting a vaccinated is a conversation between a person and their doctor. It's nobody else's business.
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this 52yo guy would probably agree with you but he's dead.

his wife probably disagrees with you now though...


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