Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns

[vegas giants]

leftism doesn't allow for facts.

you can be on a call with a leftist and someone will say that the sky is blue.
and they will say something completely different call the person a liar and argue
that it is every other color but blue.

So we agree trump committed bribery

 

[Jay Falcon]

Lol... An opinion from a former Russian on the perfect phone call. Plus, his Ukraine ties relative to the investigation there is fishy.

-VySky

Why do you Trump cultists keep calling it a "perfect call"? Oh that's right, because you are cultists.

 

[sjmay]

I don't know how you arrive at that self-serving conclusion. I think it's the opposite. There is overwhelming evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors.

I don't think there is, I think, if you take biases out of the equation, you don't get to where you NEED to be for impeachment.

You have Trump asking Ukraine to investigate corruption and specifically mentioned Biden, on a phone call. You have Sonderland stating that the President was apprehensive about giving the aid to Ukraine, DUE TO WIDE SPREAD CORRUPTION, this was BEFORE the call. You have Trump giving the aid before any investigation is opened at all, and you have Ukraine stating, that they didn't know the aide was held up, and the President of Ukraine stating that he didn't feel any pressure.

I think the bigger issue for Trump, is China, the comments he made about China and Biden, crossed the line as the comments he made before during the campaign about Russia, did not. Russia and the campaign etc, he was joking, playing to the crowd. Can't make that same argument about his request of China etc....

 

[upsideguy]

What he said has no value as evidence whatsoever. It's just another person with an opinion. The only knowledge he has is his opinion. Opinion is not evidence.

I think you are terribly misinformed. First, he is a witness. His testimony is evidence. Second, he is an expert in the politics of the Ukraine, that makes him an expert witness, which by definition is valued opinion for the court, i.e. evidence.

Rare is the court case that is not decided by opinion. In fact, the judgement in a court case is called an opinion. If you think opinions have no weight in court than you don't understand the process.

Moreover, when one opinion confirms another and are consistent with the overall body of evidence, its not good for the other side. This is not good for Trump.

Trump supporters are seemingly and increasingly grasping at straws in his defense. Let me help you: he did it; it was wrong. You wish to defend him? Argue his sins do not rise to the level of impeachment; just stop overlooking his sins.

 

[Obscurity]

Quid pro quo confirmed by direct witness now.

I wonder if the right wing will agree a direct witness testimony is "evidence."

 

[MTAtech]

So biden did break the law thanks for admitting it, but since it is ok for him to get a prosecutor fired this is ok as well.
or is leftist hypocrisy in place again?

I see, when you can't win the argument legitimately, you misrepresent what your opponent said then declare yourself the winner. Hooray!

 

[Tangmo]

The president has the executive power and duty to investigate corruption. Asking another country to help investigate corruption that is of his concern would include the possible corruption that took place during the 2016 election. It's no secret that the Trump admin. thinks Ukraine had a hand in it during the time the Obama admin. was in power. It's not a crime to also ask about Burisma and Biden's kid's role in possible corruption.
Lt. Col. Vindman's "concern" shown in his opening statement, at the end of the day, is simply his opinion based on his own personal ethics.

LTC Vindman's ethics are military professional which means to the national security with allies, national sovereignty in elections and the national defense.

His oath is to the Constitution and not to any one leader or official of the government. The oath is to "We the People" and not to "I the Tyrant." Trump is the opposite who took the oath then wiped his ass with it.

When the Right doesn't like the facts they call 'em opinion. And when the Right doesn't like opinion you call it MSM fake. Your first sentence refers to a potus who is more corrupt and for sale than Caligula was insane.

 

[Chomsky]

except it wasn't his version. there was multiple people on that call and all of them have submitted their notes and etc that were on the call. so you have multiple people
that confirm what happened on the phone call.

vs a whistle blower which we know has lied.

Who determined the ellipses?

And let's be totally serious, here. Are you expecting me to believe a document Trump releases?

 

[sjmay]

Who determined the ellipses?

And let's be totally serious, here. Are you expecting me to believe a document Trump releases?

Yet, this Army officer who said literally in his opening phrase, everyone knows what was said.....guess he's lying about that as well??

 

[Common Sense 1]

Yet, this Army officer who said literally in his opening phrase, everyone knows what was said.....guess he's lying about that as well??

This is just hilarious.... A hearing in secret where the dems release cherry picked information and say see... Trump is so bad!
The transcript of the call has been released. What more can this guy add other than his own opinion of what happened?
Just more democratic games being played. More resist the president. Of course the MSM is pushing the democratic narrative 7/24!

 

[Manc Skipper]

This is just hilarious.... A hearing in secret where the dems release cherry picked information and say see... Trump is so bad!
The transcript of the call has been released. What more can this guy add other than his own opinion of what happened?
Just more democratic games being played. More resist the president. Of course the MSM is pushing the democratic narrative 7/24!

This isn't second hand information as has been claimed of other testimony. He was there. He's of impeccable character, and the Trump faction are going low as only they can go to discredit him.

 

[Chomsky]

Yet, this Army officer who said literally in his opening phrase, everyone knows what was said.....guess he's lying about that as well??

I didn't see that. But I'll believe him over Trump.

 

[sjmay]

This isn't second hand information as has been claimed of other testimony. He was there. He's of impeccable character, and the Trump faction are going low as only they can go to discredit him.

Agreed, and HE says, everyone knows what was said......yet THE LEFT SAY , OMG that's not the full conversation!!!


So,which is it?

 

[sjmay]

I didn't see that. But I'll believe him over Trump.

That's fair enough, so when he says everyone knows what was said on that call.......you take that to mean there is nothing left to hear on the call itself, correct?

 

[Chomsky]

That's fair enough, so when he says everyone knows what was said on that call.......you take that to mean there is nothing left to hear on the call itself, correct?

I'd have to see his statement, and whether his statement is in concert with the other evidence & statements presented, then I might be able to make an informed decision.

 

[MTAtech]

I don't think there is, I think, if you take biases out of the equation, you don't get to where you NEED to be for impeachment.

You have Trump asking Ukraine to investigate corruption and specifically mentioned Biden, on a phone call. You have Sonderland stating that the President was apprehensive about giving the aid to Ukraine, DUE TO WIDE SPREAD CORRUPTION, this was BEFORE the call. You have Trump giving the aid before any investigation is opened at all, and you have Ukraine stating, that they didn't know the aide was held up, and the President of Ukraine stating that he didn't feel any pressure.

I think the bigger issue for Trump, is China, the comments he made about China and Biden, crossed the line as the comments he made before during the campaign about Russia, did not. Russia and the campaign etc, he was joking, playing to the crowd. Can't make that same argument about his request of China etc....

A full digestion of the evidence shows that:
- Trump made an investigation into Biden a pre-condition to getting military aid, which was only freed up once the whistleblower made a complaint.
- Trump asked China to investigate Biden, with the same motive.
- Trump conditioned having the Ukrainian president meet with Trump on the Biden investigation.

Those are all abuse of power examples.

 

[sjmay]

A full digestion of the evidence shows that:
- Trump made an investigation into Biden a pre-condition to getting military aid, which was only freed up once the whistleblower made a complaint.
- Trump asked China to investigate Biden, with the same motive.
- Trump conditioned having the Ukrainian president meet with Trump on the Biden investigation.

Those are all abuse of power examples.

Disagree about #1 and #3, and agree about #2, with the caveat that, I'd have to see the video again, I believe he was asked a question of what he would do if he was President of Ukraine....which has nothing to do with China, but I believe...he was going off on a tangent that wasn't asked, ie, what he would do if he was the President of China etc.....still....not good and not smart......but taken in context, it's a lot different than sitting in the Oval Office, calling President XI, and saying, look into Biden, or we are ending trade talks, or something to that affect.

 

[Obscurity]

Disagree about #1 and #3, and agree about #2, with the caveat that, I'd have to see the video again, I believe he was asked a question of what he would do if he was President of Ukraine....which has nothing to do with China, but I believe...he was going off on a tangent that wasn't asked, ie, what he would do if he was the President of China etc.....still....not good and not smart......but taken in context, it's a lot different than sitting in the Oval Office, calling President XI, and saying, look into Biden, or we are ending trade talks, or something to that affect.

#1 is corroborated by multiple witnesses now.

How the **** can you disagree with it?

The actions of the admin are exceedingly guilty!

 

[sjmay]

#1 is corroborated by multiple witnesses now.

How the **** can you disagree with it?

The actions of the admin are exceedingly guilty!

Good luck with that phrasing, because there IS evidence suggesting that Trump was worried about that aid given THE ENTIRE COUNTRY'S REPUTATION WITH CORRUPTION....

It's the same thing as the supposed election finance violation with Cohen and Daniels.....there are multiple reasons that aid could have been held up.... You have to investigate them all, could it have been held up SOLELY on Trump's wanting an investigation, ABSOLUTELY. Could it have been held up because of Trump's worry about corruption in general, ABSOLUTELY.

That's the problem with that argument.

 

[Taylor]

Quid pro quo confirmed by direct witness now.

Can you link to the public pledge by Zelensky to investigate Trump’s political rivals? Curious as to the outcome or timetable. Thanks.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Get ready to impeach'em all, then.

I thought so-called conservatives were all about duty, honor, and country. Apparently, I was wrong. I guess now they are all about licking the boot of the thug and crook known as Trump. I don't recognize any of you any longer. Leaving the Republican party was the best decision I ever made.

 

[Obscurity]

Can you link to the public pledge by Zelensky to investigate Trump’s political rivals? Curious as to the outcome or timetable. Thanks.

Oh, so this is the republicant angle? Talk about moving the goal post.

Zelensky doesn't have to agree to it. Jesus christ.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This current group of corrupt Republican voters want to lock a guy up for stealing a beer but good care less if a Republican politician steals stuff from other countries using the office that he was elected to by the people.

We are not dealing with people of honor and integrity.

I agree with you 100%. I have zero respect for Trump supporters at this point.

 

[Obscurity]

Good luck with that phrasing, because there IS evidence suggesting that Trump was worried about that aid given THE ENTIRE COUNTRY'S REPUTATION WITH CORRUPTION....

It's the same thing as the supposed election finance violation with Cohen and Daniels.....there are multiple reasons that aid could have been held up.... You have to investigate them all, could it have been held up SOLELY on Trump's wanting an investigation, ABSOLUTELY. Could it have been held up because of Trump's worry about corruption in general, ABSOLUTELY.

That's the problem with that argument.

I refute the notion Trump was worried about corruption. That's clearly a CYA after the fact. If Trump -did- care about Corruption, then perhaps he should be phoning Bibi and telling him we can't send them foreign aid due to Bibi's Israeli corruption. Or, how about investigating corruption of UKRAINIANS, not a political rival?

You have a pretty high bar to clear here and we know you can't. Trump was never concerned about corruption. All evidence points to the contrary.

If someone witnesses the mafia extorting a business, is their testimony not evidence now?

What planet do you live on?

 

[Obscurity]

I agree with you 100%. I have zero respect for Trump supporters at this point.

How can you?

This is BEYOND defensible. It's absolute lunacy and pure partisan theatrics at this point. The goalposts have moved so damned much we aren't even in a ****ing football field anymore.