It was not illegal for members of the US military to shoot American Indians, Chinese, blacks, and other minorities at the time, but in fact encouraged with a bounty system. Does it seem like a moral order to follow?
Please, this is bull. You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Either you think it's okay to discriminate, or you don't.
Sorry....but service in the military does not make one an expert on unit cohesion. All you have to do is look at country's in which gays are allowed to serve openly and you see there is no problem with unit cohesion.
The whole "unit cohesion" and "shower phobia" arguments are just tired stretchs from old homophobe fuddy-duddies who want the military to remain as prejudice and close-minded as they are. Today's military is much more diverse and tolerant than the military of the olden days.
OMG!!!! It's illegal for the United States military to fire upon American citizens.
The law that prevents it:
Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is now, but before the Posse Comitatus Act the US military had a bounty system in place for the genocide of the American Indian. There were also policies in place that allowed servicemen to kill minorities with no legal repercussions.
As far as Posse Commitatus is concerned, tell that to me again with a straight face due to the US Army's involvement in the bloodbath at Waco.
Oh, ok, so I've spent time in a combat arms unit, and everyone who is arguing against me hasn't. Am I right? So, I don't know **** and all you folks know better than me? Explain to us how that make sense, agan!
Oh, ok, so I've spent time in a combat arms unit, and everyone who is arguing against me hasn't. Am I right? So, I don't know **** and all you folks know better than me? Explain to us how that make sense, agan!
Unless you are gay....you cannot possibly comment on being gay in the military.
See how easy it is to play your game?
So, what unit did you serve in?
I was in a combat unit in the reserves 20 odd years ago. It didn't bother me then and it certainly doesn't bother me now.
That's because you've never served in the military and you are from a country that has a piss poor military. I know people who have served in the RCA and curse it's policy regarding gays in the service. Care to tell us how your military experience differs from their's?
Only a person who has never spent time in the service would say that.
What gay shower did you shower in?
Please, remoef the Third National from your avatar, you disgrace it.
If the entire premise if your argument is going to be, "You don't have military experience so you can't say anything", then there is nothing left to talk about because you are shutting down all dialogue. The American military answers to the American people via the CinC who is the President. That means the public has a say in military policy. I think you forget who it is you serve and who it is you're accountable to.
Where did I say that I had a problem serving with gay soldiers?
What was your MOS?
If the entire premise if your argument is going to be, "You don't have military experience so you can't say anything", then there is nothing left to talk about because you are shutting down all dialogue. The American military answers to the American people via the CinC who is the President. That means the public has a say in military policy. I think you forget who it is you serve and who it is you're accountable to.
It's not okay to discriminate. no cake involved.
It ain't happening. I had ancestors that served in the Missouri Partisan Rangers and were enlisted into the Confederate Army. They didn't survive the war, but their baby brother did. Their baby brother was my great-great-great grandfather and was forcibly enlisted into the US Army at gunpoint. This was right after the US Army invaded the family farmland, killed their dad, and gangraped their mama. Before my great-great grandfather died, he made his children and grandchildren to never honor his service because he was ordered to rape, murder, and rob from innocent civilians. He, instead, told them to honor the service of his older brothers. I do so by showing the Third National to remember their service to the state of Missouri and the Confederate States of America. The funny thing is that my family never owned slaves and only fought on the side of the Confederacy because the US Army invaded Missouri and massacred their family.
Then you must be against DADT, otherwise your a hypocrite. These same exact arguments were used against integrating the military years ago, and they are just as bad as they are now.
You're speaking from an uninformed posistion, that's all.
We had this discussion a few months back and my point then is the same as now. 7 of 10 vets tell you what's wrong and you ingore what we say. If 7 of 10 mechanics tell you whats wrong with your car, who are you going to believe?
I had a g-g-grandfather that served with Terry's Texas Rangers, a g-g-grandfather who served with the 46th Mississippi Infantry, a g-g-grandfather who was a slave at Little Eva Plantation and a g-g-g-grandfther who was a slave at Kateland Plantation. Mossouri partisan rangers were ****ing trash. They disgraced the flag.
Nobody is ignoring vets. The military commanders have been doing information gathering with the soldiers, sending out surveys and getting feedback. If 7 out of 10 vets have concerns and worries, then they can voice them; if 7 out of 10 vets are simply saying, "Gays in the military is wrong," those aren't acceptable reasons.
If 7 out of 10 vets said we should nuke the entire Middle East, that wouldn't make them right. 7 out of 10 vets don't form military policy, they receive their orders and obey them. That's your job, now you should do it and let people higher than you do the policy making, and stop acting like you are holier-than-thou just because you served some time.
If you say so. :roll:
I'm talking about the guys on this forum that have argued against your point of view. The guys that I know who have served in the RCA would say that you're FOS ( fulla ****)
You may not need military experience to see the prejudicial and discriminatory policy, but you do need military experience to see how this policy is beneficial to unit cohesion and the maintanance of discipline within the ranks.
Do you understand what unit cohesion and discipline in the ranks is? Care to explain--from your experience in the military--what that is?
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