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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com

I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
 
Seems likely. Complicating the situation is that 12 weeks is a de facto ban for a lot of people.

And what the hell is the point of a veto if a simple majority overrides it?
 
This simply means lots of women travelling to the next state for an abortion or worse still - back room abortions if they are not allowed to travel.
 
Actually, it may be in violation of the ruling.


Looks like the state is very limited in the second trimester, which 12 weeks would fall under.
 
This simply means lots of women travelling to the next state for an abortion or worse still - back room abortions if they are not allowed to travel.

I don't think I follow. Would there be a state border patrol checking all leaving vehicles for women headed to an abortion clinic? The bill bans doctors from performing the abortion, not women from getting one.
 
I support a 12 week line.

No apologies - I am pro-choice with limits . . . 20 weeks is just too damn long. If you haven't made a decision by then what he hell have you been doing?
 
I think the government shouldn't be involved in abortion. I don't think bureaucrats should be able to legislate on something that can be complex. It is something between the patient and doctor....politicians should be out of this.
 
I think the government shouldn't be involved in abortion. I don't think bureaucrats should be able to legislate on something that can be complex. It is something between the patient and doctor....politicians should be out of this.

No involvement? You mean anyone should be able to open an abortion clinic from their home, and perform abortions without any medical training?
 
I support a 12 week line.

No apologies - I am pro-choice with limits . . . 20 weeks is just too damn long. If you haven't made a decision by then what he hell have you been doing?

Keep in mind that for some period of time you might not even be aware of the pregnancy.
 
No involvement? You mean anyone should be able to open an abortion clinic from their home, and perform abortions without any medical training?

Of course they can have standards like all medical facilities. My argument is against them making dates of when it can or cannot happen...saying whether or not it can happen...that isn't something for a bureaucrat to decide.
 
I support a 12 week line.

No apologies - I am pro-choice with limits . . . 20 weeks is just too damn long. If you haven't made a decision by then what he hell have you been doing?

i dont think so simply because of the fact many woman haven't found out until 12 weeks or longer they were pregnant that are on a BC that failed.

What about them? Secondly for most its not an easy decision why rush it and force it, im good with it up to 22weeks since thats viability anyway, then after that it still wouldnt be a flat ban it would be case by case
 
Good.

I mean, it may be 12 weeks, or 14, or 18. But pretending that there's no matter of human life involved, even as the fetus steadily acquires human features - that is more illogical - and eventually much more immoral - than pretending that a zygote is a human being.

This merely brings Arkansas within the civilized norm: abortion on demand is illegal after 12 weeks in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic (yes, the godless, jolly Czech Republic), Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Italy, Poland....
 
Of course they can have standards like all medical facilities. My argument is against them making dates of when it can or cannot happen...saying whether or not it can happen...that isn't something for a bureaucrat to decide.

It all depends on when the fetus becomes a human. Most would argue that that does in fact happen before birth. Is the location the only thing that matters? Should the government have no regulations on abortion at nine months?
 
It all depends on when the fetus becomes a human. Most would argue that that does in fact happen before birth. Is the location the only thing that matters? Should the government have no regulations on abortion at nine months?

IMO location isnt the only thing that matters BUT its the most important factor obviously because that makes it an unique situation not comparable to anything else.

Im pro-choice with restrictions but not at 12 weeks thats way to early since there have been many woman that didnt even know they were pregnant until that time
 
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It all depends on when the fetus becomes a human. Most would argue that that does in fact happen before birth. Is the location the only thing that matters? Should the government have no regulations on abortion at nine months?

The government shouldn't be involved to the extent they are....it isn't an issue for bureaucrats. They have to make broad and generalized legislation...these issues have complexities that cannot all be legislated.

I don't think any reputable doctor would abort at Nine Months..
 

My point is that regardless of our opinions on when is too early or late, most would agree that at some point there should be government regulation.
 
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You have got to be kidding LMAO!
 

If "No reputable doctor would do..." is enough, why have any medical regulations?
 
i dont think so simply because of the fact many woman haven't found out until 12 weeks or longer they were pregnant that are on a BC that failed.

What about women who don't know until they go into labor? I mean, should they be forced to care for a baby they knew nothing about?
 

Don't you mean pro-choice with very light restrictions?
 
If "No reputable doctor would do..." is enough, why have any medical regulations?


You make sure they run a good practice...the standards that can be broadly defined. Abortion cannot be broadly legislated.
 
My point is that regardless of our opinions on when is too early or late, most would agree that at some point there should be government regulation.

this i agree with, its the only way to try and respect BOTH lives
 
You make sure they run a good practice...the standards that can be broadly defined. Abortion cannot be broadly legislated.

Sure they can, in fact you already broadly defined one:

 
I support a 12 week line.

No apologies - I am pro-choice with limits . . . 20 weeks is just too damn long. If you haven't made a decision by then what he hell have you been doing?

Prices of abortion providers may be a factor in when a person decides to have an abortion.
 
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