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Do you even know what demographics means? No wonder you seem to be having a hard time understanding.
there is a difference of homicide by gun that is over 2600% apart between the USA and england
you insist the difference is explained by "demographics" as if that alone explains it
show us data which identifies what about the differences in demographics is responsible for that 2600+% differential in murder by gun rate
you can't do it
i called you on it
and now you whine because i point out that you are without an explanation to account for the difference
for extra credit offer up the difference in demographics which similarly explains the wide differences in homicide by gun rates with japan and canada
Japan and Canada have large black and hispanic communities? They don't, do they?
Color me surprised that it took less than 24 hours for someone to turn a tragic event into a political grandstand against gun ownership. :doh
Arizona Suspect's Erratic Behavior Raises Questions About Gun Sales
show us your data which proves that the demographic differences are responsible in the vast differences in gun homicide rates
what about the variety of ethnicities in england; what about your demographics differences explains the 2600% delta in gun homicide rates
you can't. you won't
the thing that explains the difference in all instances is the availability of guns in the USA
the stats establish a reality you do not want to admit
I think the bigger thing to worry about is that the means to intervene and provide help to an individual who's a danger to others isn't there at all - or if it's there's it's extremely broken.
Gun or no gun - he was still a horrible incident waiting to happen.
also - the system that identifies routine offenders and possibly gets them off the streets seems to not be existent in this case, either - several arrests but no rap sheet, obviously something's not going all the way around the circle.
Are you admitting that I actually have to show you that and you don't already realize it to be reality?
How sad is that??
England had almost no crime back in the days when they didn't restrict guns
factor out black on black drug crime, we have a lower rate of gun crime than white Briitish
figured stormfront would have some data to prove that the presence of hispanics and blacks in the usa account for the 2600% difference in gun homicides in england and the USA
but appears not
so, we can now recognize that the 26X multiplier in USA gun homicides is the result of our lax gun regulations
The first is false, and the second is false.
The first is false because there has been restrictive gun legislature in the UK since 1903, and so, unless you're using a statistic from the 19th bloody century, I'd like to know where the hell your facts come from.
The second is false because it's simply bloody false -- look up any statistic, anywhere, on any website, that's absolutely untrue. I'll give you some websites, just for starters.
Firstly,
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The US's gun-crime rating is 15.22, the Britain's gun rate is .46. Even if you took out all minority gun crime in the US (which there is no good reason to do), white Americans still commit WAY more gun crimes than ALL Brits.
So, stop making up lies.
EDIT: I have to wonder, Turtledude, if you thought you'd get away with making such an ignorant and false claim. I mean, you KNOW I'm English, you KNOW I'm a public servant, you KNOW it is my job to know statistics like the ones you just misquoted.
You couldn't have done worse by going up to a zookeeper and telling them lies about lions. Why on Earth would you try that?
His mother is/was a county supervisor. Part of the problem, perhaps?
If mom had his record cleared, she needs to go to jail, too.
Doopnik may have had knowledge of that and did nothing about it. That may explain why he's making the fuss that he is...to cover his ass.
let's compare murder rates where a gun was used (per 100,000 population):
USA 3.98
england 0.15
japan 0.02
or we could look to the north
canada 0.4
notice how well our guns-for-everybody policy protects us from criminals
source: Gun Facts
Insanley biased source that cherry picks at the facts for it's agenda.
take out criminal on criminal gun crime and we are better.... furthermore, you need to look at assault rates and other crimes to get an honest picture.
translation:
being without a valid rebuttal the rev will attempt to impugn your source
he then says we should look at different data but FAILS to provide any other data
That's Classic Rev.
the hand guns are too easily concealed ... that makes them prime weapons of choice for offensive rather than defensive purposes. semi/auto also have an offensive purpose
combined with that would be absolute enforcement of laws prohibiting the carrying of handguns - with stiff prison time penalties for those found carrying those weapons
yes, then the only ones carrying handguns would be those intending to perpetrate crime
eliminate victimless crime laws and then refill the prisons with those who insist on carrying handguns
no, it wouldn't change that, but making all guns illegal would drive down the rate of violent crimes, period. there really is no dipsuting that.
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