Arizona religious protection law

[tecoyah]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.


Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

 

[Wiseone]

Well bigots want their actions justified and protected, some people don't want to give the same freedoms to others that they would claim for themselves.

Some people are gigantic self entitled assholes, what can you do?

 

[Commie]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.


Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

I heard about this yesterday. Seems like Christian rights trumps human rights in Arizona!

 

[joG]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.


Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

I don't know.

 

[Excon]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.


Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

We reserve the "Right" to refuse service to anyone.

 

[tecoyah]

We reserve the "Right" to refuse service to anyone.

Having been in charge of quite a few retail establishments, I have been forced to utilize this on occasion...but would note it is intended as a means of protection from unruly customers, and often dismissed completely by authorities based on trespass laws.

Perhaps it should be revised to read:

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason...and will remove anyone, anytime, if we do not like you.

 

[tosca1]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?
To the conceited for Pride?
Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.
Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

What exactly is the Arizona Law? What does it say?

I don't think anyone should be forced to do something if it goes against their beliefs - like doctors being forced to kill the unborn, or caterers forced to cater to a same-sex marriage reception, or Christian-owned venues forced to accommodate lgbt parties and celebrations.

 

[tecoyah]

What exactly is the Arizona Law? What does it say?

I don't think anyone should be forced to do something if it goes against their beliefs - like doctors being forced to kill the unborn, or caterers forced to cater to a same-sex marriage reception, or Christian-owned venues forced to accommodate lgbt parties and celebrations.

Then you will be fine with this law...it basically allows religious companies (But only religious), to discriminate just as you have noted.

 

[tech30528]

Basicly the argument against this law is that sexual preference trumps religious beliefs. It is not so much about the small percentage who are gay, but a tool to suppress religion. The gay community thinks they are winning when in fact they are just being used.

 

[Northern Light]

I think SCOTUS will strike down this law eventually. The State is not supposed to be favoring religion.

It would have been more intelligent to create a law allowing merchants to refuse service for some other reason that seemed universal. But for religious reasons? It's not likely going to stand.

 

[tosca1]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

You're missing the point, though. For one thing, who can say for certain that an obese person suffers from gluttony...or someone is "conceited with pride?"

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.

BASICALLY, this is about showing consideration for others.

What you do in your own bedroom is your own business. In public, one ought to be considerate of others.

It's easy to talk about tolerance. But when your society is also promoting "ALL-INCLUSIVITY," and your people are all of different stripes - then it only becomes sensible to be BLAND in public. When you go out, you should be "generic." You don't flaunt your "individuality."

Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

Yes, it could. Just look at Uganda. From one extreme to the other.

Thanks to the gay provocateurs who purposefully target Christian venues to push their agenda.....you're creating your own problems.

 

[tosca1]

I heard about this yesterday. Seems like Christian rights trumps human rights in Arizona!

It's not only Christians. All religion that sees homosexuality as a sin! Or any cultures that sees it as an abnormal behaviour.

In the end - FAITH will trump everything. People are willing to die for it.

Never underestimate that.

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Gays should stop provoking. You've already won some ground....leave it at that if I were you.

 

[tecoyah]

You're missing the point, though. For one thing, who can say for certain that an obese person suffers from gluttony...or someone is "conceited with pride?"





BASICALLY, this is about showing consideration for others.

What you do in your own bedroom is your own business. In public, one ought to be considerate of others.

It's easy to talk about tolerance. But when your society is also promoting "ALL-INCLUSIVITY," and your people are all of different stripes - then it only becomes sensible to be BLAND in public. When you go out, you should be "generic." You don't flaunt your "individuality."





Yes, it could. Just look at Uganda. From one extreme to the other.

Thanks to the gay provocateurs who purposefully target Christian venues to push their agenda.....you're creating your own problems.

I am creating nothing...and instead asking questions about a new law that promotes discrimination in favor of religious freedom. It is unlikely a couple gay guys are going to walk into a bakery and start kissing as they order a cake, in fact I have never heard of such a thing....though admittedly I have kissed my wife in a grocery store.

What this law will allow is someone deciding the two guys are gay and refusing service based on this perception, even if they are simply brothers or friends.

 

[Excon]

and often dismissed completely by authorities based on trespass laws.

Dismissed? Or enforced through trespass law?

Perhaps it should be revised to read:

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason...and will remove anyone, anytime, if we do not like you.

Perhaps it should be codified into law first and then used in conjunction with trespass law.

Regardless. I have no problem with any business refusing service to anyone.
It should be their right to do so.

My only objection would be if it was the Government refusing as the Government should not be able to do such against it's own citizens.
Or an employee refusing against the employer's wishes, as they were hired to do a job.

 

[nota bene]

I am creating nothing...and instead asking questions about a new law that promotes discrimination in favor of religious freedom. It is unlikely a couple gay guys are going to walk into a bakery and start kissing as they order a cake, in fact I have never heard of such a thing....though admittedly I have kissed my wife in a grocery store.

What this law will allow is someone deciding the two guys are gay and refusing service based on this perception, even if they are simply brothers or friends.

If a couple came into my bakery and began kissing as they picked out a wedding cake, I'd guess they were the happy couple. And I'll bet what they were saying to each other would be little clues too.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I heard about this yesterday. Seems like Christian rights trumps human rights in Arizona!

No. The law just prevents people from being forced to violate their religious beliefs. It does not stop someone else from exercising their own rights.

 

[rhinefire]

If I have a public business you are not permitted to enter my business because you are nude despite being a registered nudist. Homosexuality continues to attempt to force itself on the rights of others and should be imprisoned for it.

 

[rhinefire]

Does this law allow one to refuse service to the Obese for Gluttony?

To the conceited for Pride?

Basically, all someone needs to claim is that their religion does not like you, to allow discriminatory practices.


Would this not be a huge step backward, and quite possibly against the Constitution?

Obesity is rightfully punished by carriers that cannot allow obese person to travel because the seats are too small to accommodate them. Yet the liberals attack the carriers while ignoring the FACT that the obese are self destructive parasites that have no self esteem, no self worth and insist on the rest of us to pay for their enormous medical costs. Homosexuals are equally guilty of declaring being different yet attempt to force their pathetic life style on those that are opposite of them and find them to be an abomination to the word of God. To the liberals sex is greater than religion and we all see the confirmation of this in their addiction to the entertainment industry where it is accepted for a father to have sex with is daughter and ion government for the president to have sex in the White House with someone other than his wife.
Last, if you smell bad you will be forced to leave a business, if your fat ass sits on my chair and breaks it you will pay for it so you liberals who want a constitution that only protects those that agree with you are reflective of another form of government called totalitarianism. You Nazis are doomed.

 

[tecoyah]

Obesity is rightfully punished by carriers that cannot allow obese person to travel because the seats are too small to accommodate them. Yet the liberals attack the carriers while ignoring the FACT that the obese are self destructive parasites that have no self esteem, no self worth and insist on the rest of us to pay for their enormous medical costs. Homosexuals are equally guilty of declaring being different yet attempt to force their pathetic life style on those that are opposite of them and find them to be an abomination to the word of God. To the liberals sex is greater than religion and we all see the confirmation of this in their addiction to the entertainment industry where it is accepted for a father to have sex with is daughter and ion government for the president to have sex in the White House with someone other than his wife.
Last, if you smell bad you will be forced to leave a business, if your fat ass sits on my chair and breaks it you will pay for it so you liberals who want a constitution that only protects those that agree with you are reflective of another form of government called totalitarianism. You Nazis are doomed.

WOW.....Bad Day?

Or are you always like this.

 

[Commie]

It's not only Christians. All religion that sees homosexuality as a sin! Or any cultures that sees it as an abnormal behaviour.

In the end - FAITH will trump everything. People are willing to die for it.

Never underestimate that.

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Gays should stop provoking. You've already won some ground....leave it at that if I were you.

I'm not gay, and this issue doesn't impact my life personally, but the issue of whether to tolerate/or persecute homosexuals tells us a great deal about the people and the society we live in.

Those other religions you say agree with your position are also branches of Judaism, and we shouldn't be surprised to find that they say the same damn things about a whole range of taboos that our fundamentalists do! I recently came across a story about new laws persecuting homosexuals in Uganda, and this wave of persecution they are experiencing, came to Uganda along with foreign Christian missionaries...primarily the American evangelicals! Because these degenerates have given Ugandan converts their same bull**** conspiracy theories about gays and witches casting spells on them...the difference is no one over here really takes them seriously...but in a place like Uganda, where belief in witchcraft and spirit powers is widespread, the bile and vitriol spread by American evangelicals causes people to be burned alive and hacked to death with axes and machetes!

Traditionally, in Uganda, they didn't appear to have a policy one way or another regarding homosexuals, since historically, they even had kings who were known to be homosexual. In traditional aboriginal societies in North America, prior to the arrival of Europeans, social conformity was very strong and rigid...no surprise...but many tribes, especially Plains Indians, would accommodate gay men by having them dress as women and remain in the camp with the women, where they could be of service. The notion that homosexuality is never tolerated by any society is flat out wrong, and can be disproven by a quick scan of literature on anthropology.

 

[ludin]

No. The law just prevents people from being forced to violate their religious beliefs. It does not stop someone else from exercising their own rights.

actually it prevents businesses and or people from being sued for expression their 1st amendment rights.
there have been several businesses sued, fined and the people shut them down because of just this.

 

[Grand Mal]

No. The law just prevents people from being forced to violate their religious beliefs. It does not stop someone else from exercising their own rights.

Would a business owner have to prove that his bigotry has a religious basis? How could one prove that they are religious and not just prejudiced against others for no good reason?

 

[mike2810]

Copy of the bill.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf

 

[tosca1]

I'm not gay, and this issue doesn't impact my life personally, but the issue of whether to tolerate/or persecute homosexuals tells us a great deal about the people and the society we live in.

Those other religions you say agree with your position are also branches of Judaism, and we shouldn't be surprised to find that they say the same damn things about a whole range of taboos that our fundamentalists do! I recently came across a story about new laws persecuting homosexuals in Uganda, and this wave of persecution they are experiencing, came to Uganda along with foreign Christian missionaries...primarily the American evangelicals! Because these degenerates have given Ugandan converts their same bull**** conspiracy theories about gays and witches casting spells on them...the difference is no one over here really takes them seriously...but in a place like Uganda, where belief in witchcraft and spirit powers is widespread, the bile and vitriol spread by American evangelicals causes people to be burned alive and hacked to death with axes and machetes!

Traditionally, in Uganda, they didn't appear to have a policy one way or another regarding homosexuals, since historically, they even had kings who were known to be homosexual. In traditional aboriginal societies in North America, prior to the arrival of Europeans, social conformity was very strong and rigid...no surprise...but many tribes, especially Plains Indians, would accommodate gay men by having them dress as women and remain in the camp with the women, where they could be of service. The notion that homosexuality is never tolerated by any society is flat out wrong, and can be disproven by a quick scan of literature on anthropology.

I'm not talking about whether homosexuality was never tolerated by any society. I'm talking about how things can lead from one extreme to the other.
I cited Uganda as an example. I don't want to see gays thrown in jail and given harsh penalties for being gays. It's another thing though if they corrupt a minor.

Like I said, what we're seeing now could probably be the start of a wave of backlash. Gay activists had stirred the pots and provoked, some purposefully targeted Christian venues/businesses to force them to accept homosexuality and sued.

 

[Master PO]

Gay activists had stirred the pots and provoked, some purposefully targeted Christian venues/businesses to force them to accept homosexuality and sued.

how true!

this has also been extended to our education system.