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A round of applause today for the Arizona Department of Juvenile Corrections, which summarily fired a teacher for not showing up at work.It seems this slacker is battling cancer and was still fighting an infection when her unpaid medical leave expired on Monday.
So the state fired her. Then it revoked her health insurance – the plan that was covering her cancer treatment.
Juvenile Corrections Director Dona Marie Markley would not answer Republic reporter Craig Harris’ questions about Tarah Ausburn's dismissal from Adobe Mountain School.
But she was helpful enough to explain that the agency didn’t actually fire the 36-year-old teacher. No, Ausburn involuntarily resigned, she explained.
Really, she said that.
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".
Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.
Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.
Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.
Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!
It's a tragic story.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993The Act allows eligible employees to take up to 12 work weeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period to attend to the serious health condition of the employee, parent, spouse or child, or for pregnancy or care of a newborn child, or for adoption or foster care of a child. In order to be eligible for FMLA leave, an employee must have been at the business at least 12 months, and worked at least 1,250 hours over the past 12 months, and work at a location where the company employs 50 or more employees within 75 miles. The FMLA covers both public- and private-sector employees, but certain categories of employees are excluded, including elected officials and their personal staff members.
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".
Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.
Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.
Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.
Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!
It's a tragic story.
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The full story here.
:roll:....dont get your way, call. Someone mean and hatefulThere is no such thing as compassionate conservatism in this country anymore. The general welfare of our society is long gone in with the GOP and conservatives. It's not even in their vocabulary anymore.
It's all selfishness and me, me, me now.
Sorry to say but this is not something new, unusual, or special to the State of Arizona. It is a standard practice around the nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993
The provisions of the Family and Medical Leave Act allow for qualified employees to be granted a period of up to 12 weeks of unpaid medical leave, and the employer must hold their position open for their return until this period lapses.
The woman in your article clearly states that she was granted FMLA and that when the 12 weeks expired she was still unable to return to work.
The employer is allowed to terminate employment and hire a replacement for the position if the employee is not released to return to work.
The Governor did not do anything. That's simply how the process worked all over the United States of America.
Thanks, I do understand the FMLA. The teacher's situation was not that cut and dry. In addition, the FMLA does not mandate that a person must be fired.
As for the governor, perhaps I didn't explain the situation in detail. He has hired and established a government hierarchy to cut bleed state services to the bone. Well, except those that benefit the people who donated to his campaign such as private prisons. An award winning teacher who battling cancer has done everything possible and offered every conceivable solution to help her hold on to her job until she could return to work? Naaaa. It's one example of an ongoing situation.
We shall see what the governor does.
It is an unfair practice and many democracies that are more advanced in worker rights this would not occur.Tsk tsk, her situation is fairly cut and dry. In fact, it happens to thousands of employees throughout the U.S.A. every year.
First, one must realize that despite all the rhetoric, there really is no right to work in this nation. One works under a contract and only those conditions either guaranteed by that contract or covered under Federal (or State) law once employed apply. Employees serve at the needs of the employer, and can be hired and fired in keeping with those needs and the law.
Second, when someone is on any kind of leave; whether FMLA, Worker's Compensation, or employer authorized, this means the job is not being done. Now three months of FMLA is a long time; a complete School semester in the case of a Teacher like this woman. The employer still has to conduct their business which often results in hiring a qualified temporary worker. Eventually, if the employee cannot return at the end of the time due to a major illness it is not unreasonable to replace them either with the temporary worker or someone equally qualified...all for any number of sound business reasons.
Third, you are championing this one woman because her story was brought to your attention in the news...sympathy as a cancer victim. However, she is only one of those many thousands who all have some sympathetic case to share. How long would be reasonable to hold a job open in order to meet both empathy AND the needs of the employer?
In any case, I don't think this is a good example for purposes of attacking your governor. It's pretty standard practice as I've said, and not in the least unfair or unusual.
Liberals will never let facts, logic, science, or compassion interrupt a really good pity party. I am very sorry the woman was sick and couldn't work. I don't think the employer should be required to keep paying her forever.
Since voting for liberals doesn't terminate at death, does sick leave?
So, let me get this straight.Liberals will never let facts, logic, science, or compassion interrupt a really good pity party. I am very sorry the woman was sick and couldn't work. I don't think the employer should be required to keep paying her forever.
Since voting for liberals doesn't terminate at death, does sick leave?
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".
Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.
Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.
Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.
Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!
It's a tragic story.
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The full story here.
To be fair, AZ's tax rates are fairly low compared to many other states, though it could be even lower, considering how little useful stuff it funds.
Recall that conservatism is fundamentally about taxing people to death to pay for a large, theistic govt. that wages useless wars and enforces Xtian doctrine by threat of force, and AZ, fortunately, is not (at least yet) a ****hole like that.
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".
Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.
Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.
Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.
Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!
It's a tragic story.
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The full story here.
So, let me get this straight.
You started a thread about a woman who was selling tamales without a permit, and fuming that she got dinged for $700. This provoked you into a multi-day tirade against how awful it is for the government to follow rules blindly and unthinkingly.
Then, when a state bureaucrat denies medical leave to a woman fighting cancer, fires her, and calls it an "involuntary resignation," you shrug and say "screw her." (And then top it off by tossing a bunch of vitriol at the liberals who don't want this woman to be fired, or lose her health insurance, because she's seriously ill.)
I guess a handful of conservatives will never let facts, logic, science, compassion or consistency get in the way of a really good snarl, huh?
I'm referring to the bolded on your post, only...You realize socialists are trying to change this 'pay for qualifications' or a meritocracy based on capitalism at work? Socialists feel how well you do your job isn't as important as your gender or skin color. Don't get me wrong, socialists also feel their message needs to be broadcasted....Tsk tsk, her situation is fairly cut and dry. In fact, it happens to thousands of employees throughout the U.S.A. every year.
First, one must realize that despite all the rhetoric, there really is no right to work in this nation. One works under a contract and only those conditions either guaranteed by that contract or covered under Federal (or State) law once employed apply. Employees serve at the needs of the employer, and can be hired and fired in keeping with those needs and the law.
Second, when someone is on any kind of leave; whether FMLA, Worker's Compensation, or employer authorized, this means the job is not being done. Now three months of FMLA is a long time; a complete School semester in the case of a Teacher like this woman. The employer still has to conduct their business which often results in hiring a qualified temporary worker. Eventually, if the employee cannot return at the end of the time due to a major illness it is not unreasonable to replace them either with the temporary worker or someone equally qualified...all for any number of sound business reasons.
Third, you are championing this one woman because her story was brought to your attention in the news...sympathy as a cancer victim. However, she is only one of those many thousands who all have some sympathetic case to share. How long would be reasonable to hold a job open in order to meet both empathy AND the needs of the employer?
In any case, I don't think this is a good example for purposes of attacking your governor. It's pretty standard practice as I've said, and not in the least unfair or unusual.
She requested an extension to her unpaid medical leave, which was denied. Heavens forbid an award-winning teacher needs a little more time to deal with the complications of cancer surgery.He didn't "deny her medical leave". She got her medical leave, didn't she?
I think the state could have handled extending her medical leave by a month or so. Apparently, the hard right-wing Republican governor agrees.But, you think she should have leave in perpetuity.
And in turn, you apparently think that the rules should be bent, unless a "liberal" supports the person involved? Good to know.I guess liberal who screw people left and right with their regulators care nothing about the people who pay for their excesses. The "rules are the rules" only apply when it suits their ideology.
Uh, hello? Again, her sick leave was unpaid, and I never said anything about indefinite sick leave, nor would I support that. I'm arguing for fair and reasonably humane treatment of employees.I realize honesty isn't your strong suit but what you're asking for isn't that she be reinstated to her job. She can't work, can she? No, you want sick leave for life.
Dude.And, Visbek, I didn't have a multi-day tirade. I can see how delicate Democrats might think so. I didn't have a single tirade about the government screwing the little people. I did have a few days of responding to nitwits and fools. Are we going to have to go through that again?
Here in Arizona the Tea Party has decided to run the state into the ground. We have a partially Koch funded Tea Party legislature and a largely Koch purchased governor. The governor - Doug Ducey - worships the great work of Gov. Brownback of Kansas. Ducey, former owner and CEO of Cold Stone Ice Cream is on a mission. He has no idea what he is doing but that doesn't change his commitment. Ducey has hired a trainload of business people to "fix government".
Ducey fired many state department directors and appointed his own business people and friends of donors to help him fix things. As you might imagine it's a cluster****.
Under Ducey people are fired almost daily without reason. If they are in exempt positions, and most are there, there is no requirement to explain why. We are not talking about 2 weeks notice or anything like that, most are summarily dismissed and tossed in the boneyard on the same day and with no prior warning. It is apparently a frequent occurrence.
Talk is, I don't know this for fact, that Ducey's fixers are paid more than their predecessors as are the replacements from business that the fixers hire to replace former state workers.
Now this. It's illustrative of what we have been hearing of Ducey's Brownback style government. An award winning teacher in a state school program who is fighting cancer was fired - bam! - just like that for fighting a staph infection which resulted from chemotherapy. The teacher's doctor would not release her to back to work just yet. The teacher informed that school. Just like that they fired her AND IMMEDIATELY CANCELLED her health insurance!
It's a tragic story.
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The full story here.
the lady has been reinstated....
but...how long should a job remain open?
FMLA requires 12 weeks....that is three months an employer has to keep a job open, and somehow still get crap done
You seem to think that it should be longer in certain circumstances....
what 20 weeks? 36 weeks? a year?
how long should an employer hold a job for someone who is out because of an illness, or a major issue?
as a guy who runs a 180+ employee company, it is a question i have had to answer a couple of times myself as people run into difficult times
missing key people especially.....it is not an easy answer for employers
The employer should use a reasonable standard for extending unpaid medical leave. There is a big difference between holding the position open for 1 month, as compared to 6 or 12 months.the lady has been reinstated....
but...how long should a job remain open?
Or perhaps it's that you care more about tamale sellers who get a small fine, than cancer patients who lose their health insurance in mid-treatment?
Her employer (AZ Juvenile Corrections) reportedly terminated her health care. I'm not sure what's going on with her COBRA, as I agree she should be eligible. However, it is possible that the way they fired/forcibly resigned her affects her coverage.Except she didn't. You do know we're responsible for our own health insurance now, right? You know about COBRA, right? You know she's eligible for subsidized Obamacare, right?
That's... quite the leap of logic right there.That said, I'm glad the governor decided to reverse the decision. However, off the books exemptions cause future problems. Expect others to say in the future, "hey, she got an exemption, how come I can't - dirty racists!".
.........but...how long should a job remain open?
FMLA requires 12 weeks....that is three months an employer has to keep a job open, and somehow still get crap done
You seem to think that it should be longer in certain circumstances....
what 20 weeks? 36 weeks? a year?
how long should an employer hold a job for someone who is out because of an illness, or a major issue?
as a guy who runs a 180+ employee company, it is a question i have had to answer a couple of times myself as people run into difficult times
missing key people especially.....it is not an easy answer for employers
....But it also requires employers to reinstate employees who take up to five years off.......with all of the promotions, raises, and other benefits they would have received had they worked through their time off. And, it prohibits employers from firing employees without cause for up to one year after they return.....
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