Arizona finds that 100,000 Republicans illegally registered

[gbg3]

These voter roll problems so often bring driver's license issuance into the picture. If you want to get a full picture of the huge and growing problem we have with non-citizens being registered to vote, start with a search of motor voter.

"An audit last year of the state transportation department found extensive problems with the state’s oversight of third-party vendors, according to the state auditor general report. Problems included the issuance of driver’s licenses and identification cards to “unqualified or unauthorized” people — and a lack of “documentation confirming individuals/entities were qualified and/or authorized” to receive car titles or driver’s licenses and identification cards."

 

[MaryP]

There is a perfectly logical reason why these people can't prove they are citizens entitled to vote: The state lost their records!

Now the GOP has another great strategy for suppressing the vote. Lose the registration records. Easy peazy!

But why don't those people still have their records to bring in to their Town Clerk and re-register? It's important enough that I would do it. Maybe the Republicans are afraid they won't go to the trouble and the Repubs will lose those votes.

 

[mike2810]

It was obviously a conspiracy to disenfranchise Democrat voters by illegally registering Republicans. Now that it's been discovered, conveniently enough just before the 2024 election, we can make sure than none of these Republicans are allowed to vote. It's the only way to save democracy.

like your sarcasm.

I do find it interesting that the issue may be impacting more Republican voters than Democrat or Independent voters. What I also find interesting is the Republicans have written the election laws for Arizona. They have the majority on most of the County Board of Supervisors and County recorder positions. If there are problems in the voter registration it is a problem of the GOP's own making.

That is why I laugh when I hear MAGA supporters talk about rigged election, election fraud, in Arizona. If the system is that messed up, why would someone want for GOP people elected in to fix the issue? I took Kari Lake's advice and left the GOP because I was a McCain Republican. I got out.

(ps. been in Arizona for 35 years.

 

[gbg3]

But why don't those people still have their records to bring in to their Town Clerk and re-register? It's important enough that I would do it. Maybe the Republicans are afraid they won't go to the trouble and the Repubs will lose those votes.

I have no idea what the solution is to this mess but it's now over 200,000 people. Arizona could end up with months of very legitimate election challenges.

 

[ElChupacabra]

If things were reversed the GOP would wipe them from the rolls and not even contact them as they did in FL. Different reason but same idea.

So by extension, this must mean that of Republicans win, the election must be fraudulent.

 

[MaryP]

I have no idea what the solution is to this mess but it's now over 200,000 people. Arizona could end up with months of very legitimate election challenges.

After going to all the trouble to get all the documents you need to prove identity and residence, I would think everyone has saved them, so I can't imagine a lot of challenges--but everyone needs to check now to make sure they're on the rolls. If not, there's plenty of time to correct it.

 

[MaryP]

like your sarcasm.

I do find it interesting that the issue may be impacting more Republican voters than Democrat or Independent voters. What I also find interesting is the Republicans have written the election laws for Arizona. They have the majority on most of the County Board of Supervisors and County recorder positions. If there are problems in the voter registration it is a problem of the GOP's own making.

That is why I laugh when I hear MAGA supporters talk about rigged election, election fraud, in Arizona. If the system is that messed up, why would someone want for GOP people elected in to fix the issue? I took Kari Lake's advice and left the GOP because I was a McCain Republican. I got out.

(ps. been in Arizona for 35 years.

Maybe it's mostly Republicans because Arizona is mostly Republicans? I thought, anyway.

 

[mike2810]

Maybe it's mostly Republicans because Arizona is mostly Republicans? I thought, anyway.

Republican Party holds a slight edge over Independents followed by the Democrat Party. Since I have been in Arizona the GOP has lost ground in its majority. More people are becoming Independent.

https://azsos.gov/elections/election-information/voter-registration-statistics

 

[Lutherf]

Maybe it's mostly Republicans because Arizona is mostly Republicans? I thought, anyway.

Arizona has been roughly 50/50 for a long time. The metro areas, Pima County (Tucson area), is heavily democrat in the metro area and heavily Republican in the outskirts. Maricopa County (Phoenix) has steadily become more Democratic and around 1/3 of the electorate statewide is Independent. The independents fall into two major categories. A chunk of them are Republicans that got sick and tired of the AZGOP's incompetence and reliance on the funding streams McCain established. The other major chunk are diehard liberals that have registered as independent so that they can mess with GOP primaries.

 

[stealthycat]

if only there was a Federal law requiring proof of citizenship ....

but "due to a state accounting glitch" .......... sounds like Democrats found a neat way to target GOP doesn't it ?

Most are between ages 45 and 60 and the lion’s share are Republicans

How is that possible that the "glitch" only targeted Republicans 45-60 years old ? amazing !



but then ... wait ... I thought liberals were all about NOT showing proof of citizenship to vote? Wasn't it liberals who fight hard for everyone to vote with no checking at all ?

Gavin Newsom bans California from requiring ID to vote

The new law aims to curb conservative efforts in cities like Huntington Beach, where a voter ID requirement was passed in March.

www.newsweek.com

Gavin Newsom Bans California From Requiring ID to Vote​

 

[Callen]

I have no idea what the solution is to this mess but it's now over 200,000 people. Arizona could end up with months of very legitimate election challenges.

This problem originated with the previous Republican regime and involves the improper deletion of the citizens documents by Republicans. Most are Republicans! The matter is before the courts.

Lawsuits to question voter registration of nearly 100K Arizonans

Two lawsuits are expected to be filed today asking the Arizona Supreme Court to decide if nearly 100,000 Arizona voters will be able to cast a ballot.

tucson.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

There shouldn't be voter registration as we currently practice it in this country.

WW

 

[Lutherf]

There shouldn't be voter registration as we currently practice it in this country.

WW

Right. The only way we can save democracy is if people can vote as many times as they can manage.

 

[Lutherf]

This problem originated with the previous Republican regime and involves the improper deletion of the citizens documents by Republicans. Most are Republicans! The matter is before the courts.

Lawsuits to question voter registration of nearly 100K Arizonans

Two lawsuits are expected to be filed today asking the Arizona Supreme Court to decide if nearly 100,000 Arizona voters will be able to cast a ballot.

tucson.com

Actually, Napolitano, a Democrat, was running the show in 2005.

 

[WorldWatcher]

There shouldn't be voter registration as we currently practice it in this country.

WW

Right. The only way we can save democracy is if people can vote as many times as they can manage.

Not even close to what I was talking about.

There shouldn't be voter registration as we know it because the government ALREADY knows who the citizens are and those eligible to vote. Voter registration (eligibility) and Voter ID (identification when voting) are two different things.

No where was there any implication about non-citizen's voting (figured I'd clarify that now) or about people voting multiple times (which is your claim).



WW

 

[Callen]

Actually, Napolitano, a Democrat, was running the show in 2005.

You are right but since when do Governors control the election process in AZ? I do believe that elections are run by the Secretary of State and the legislators. The Secretary of State was Jan Brewer, a Republican, who went on the become Governor and who had a Republican Secty of State. Republicans have been in charge of elections until 2020.

 

[DCCougar]

They call it a "glitch" but this is proof that for DECADES the republicans in Arizona have illegally registered their voters who AREN'T EVEN CITIZENS!!!

Well, it's not strictly Republicans, AND there's no reason to think that any of the 98,000 is NOT an eligible voter, so your claim of "proof" is nonsense.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Arizona has been roughly 50/50 for a long time. The metro areas, Pima County (Tucson area), is heavily democrat in the metro area and heavily Republican in the outskirts. Maricopa County (Phoenix) has steadily become more Democratic and around 1/3 of the electorate statewide is Independent. The independents fall into two major categories. A chunk of them are Republicans that got sick and tired of the AZGOP's incompetence and reliance on the funding streams McCain established. The other major chunk are diehard liberals that have registered as independent so that they can mess with GOP primaries.

So you are SAYING that this is not the fault of George Soros and his commie demonrats?

 

[Lutherf]

So you are SAYING that this is not the fault of George Soros and his commie demonrats?

If I had to blame anyone it would be McCain. The AZGOP has been a cluster**** for a couple of decades. They ran away from Goldwater once he retired and McCain was seen as the "new" Republican, running a MUCH more moderate agenda, kind of the "anti-Goldwater but still a Republican" thing. The AZGOP hasn't changed from there in quite a while and, in general, have been "Democrat lite" ever since.

 

[Peter]

It was obviously a conspiracy to disenfranchise Democrat voters by illegally registering Republicans. Now that it's been discovered, conveniently enough just before the 2024 election, we can make sure than none of these Republicans are allowed to vote. It's the only way to save democracy.

I don't understand this line of argument.
The republican party in the area has been caught cheating and you think it's somehow a plot by democrats?

I must be missing something as surely that can't be right?

I don't think anyone should be kicked from voter roles and everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they're citizens over the voting age.
I don't care who they vote for, just that they are allowed to vote.

 

[Lutherf]

I don't understand this line of argument.
The republican party in the area has been caught cheating and you think it's somehow a plot by democrats?

I must be missing something as surely that can't be right?

I don't think anyone should be kicked from voter roles and everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they're citizens over the voting age.
I don't care who they vote for, just that they are allowed to vote.

It was a VERY tongue in cheek comment.

While there does seem to have been an issue with a number of registered voters getting "grandfathered in", something not allowed by the law change in 2005, it is very much unlikely to be a significant issue and SHOULD be easy enough to resolve. Sadly, out state government being what it is, the powers that be have chosen to make it an issue rather than just reach out to those effected and resolve the matter.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Well. Well.

Thousands are deleted from the voter rolls. But the GOP answer it to just let them vote as they have been voting for years to make it easier. No need to make folks prove who they are and that they are legal to vote…

Yet when they demanded that voters in blue districts be required to prove citizenship and folks talked about difficulties in doing so they dismissed it…

And now that the shoe is on the other foot, they suddenly want a pass?

**** that noise. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. They want to impose rules on the rest of us, cool, but they also have to follow the same rules as well.

They have to proventheir eligibility just like they try to make it happen everywhere else.

Welcome to the world of your own making…

 

[Peter]

It was a VERY tongue in cheek comment.

While there does seem to have been an issue with a number of registered voters getting "grandfathered in", something not allowed by the law change in 2005, it is very much unlikely to be a significant issue and SHOULD be easy enough to resolve. Sadly, out state government being what it is, the powers that be have chosen to make it an issue rather than just reach out to those effected and resolve the matter.

I just want the vote to be on the level.
If the Dems lose then so be it, that's how this is supposed to work.