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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill


So this is good for your country, which I assume is America?
Why is it ok to be in the country illegally?
What would you do to solve the illegal problem in Arizona?
 

Yeah... we know where Ms. "I never met a terrorist I didn't like" Napolitano is coming from!
 
Wow! Just, wow! This bill is a colossal error.

So you're against sending illegal immigrants home? Why have a law if you're not going to enforce it?
 
And probable cause is a requirement. Read the law again.



which is exactly what the law says.
As they can check your id in such cases, why do they need a law to check id, in which they already have the legal right to do so?

So in your mind you should never ever have to prove who you are unless you are doing something voluntary.

Exactly how does that make sense?
Or if I am doing something illegal, (that the police have probable cause to believe so, and not just because of my ethnicity)

Otherwise no I should not have to prove who I am. If I dont want to vote, no need for them to know who I am, if am not cashing a cheque, not need to know who I am. If I am just walking down the street or hanging out in a park, asking me anything is fine, forcing me to answer is not
And please cite the law you are quoting that makes this true. Can't wait to see this one

As posted by Critical thought earlier

 

No it is not probabe cause if a person is not speaking english.

There is something called free speech in the US. It does sort of protects the right of people to speak in any language they so choose. Heck they could speak Klignon all day long if they so choose. They might not and most likely wont get hired for any job outside of a trekie convention, but that is their right
 
QUOTE]"Heck they could speak Klignon all day long if they so choose. "[[/QUOTE]

That would be an obvious indicator that we just may indeed have an illegal alien
 
While reading on this subject, I ran across this article. Just another view of what Arizona Republicans may really be up to. And, interesting enough, Karl Rove's name popped up. Son of a gun. :lol:

t r u t h o u t | Behind The Arizona Immigration Law: GOP Game to Swipe the November Election

This may have nothing to do with immigration. It may be all about politics after all. Tom DeLay type politics. Interesting.
 
If you are not naturalized you are already required to carry your immigration documents.


Are there actually any legal distinctions between an alien and a immigrant?

Well if all non Naturalized immigrants are required to "carry " immigration documents I guess that I was in violation every single day until I was Naturalized.

" distinctions between an alien and a immigrant" ? Well anyone who comes here is an immigrant and and if he is an permanent resident immigrant the official status is "permenent resident alien". Once an immigrant becomes Naturalized he no longer is an alien but will be an immigrant for life.

Someone who is here temporarily is an alien.

That is my understanding. That is why I can say that I am an immigrant but since I am a citizen I am not an alien.

ps I do not speak Klingon !!
 
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The anti-Indian legislation is a fascist measure. It’s not surprising that it finds its primary support on the white supremacist forum Stormfront, where the rhetoric in favor of it is indistinguishable from that here.

Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Stormfront


Arizona Bill SB 1070 to Require Local Cops to Enforce Immigration Law - Page 2 - Stormfront


:rofl
 

Ah more race baiting.

La Reconquista is alive and well. :2wave:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNNXcnnD70"]YouTube- Aztlan Reconquista[/nomedia]
 

I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?

I am approaching this Arizona law with due caution but I was more concerned initially with the application of this law than the intent. Though I can see this as a wedge issue in that most reasonable people are against illegal immigration the atmosphere that this sets in motion is an anti-immigrant attitude in general.
 
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State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com

 
Ah more race baiting.

La Reconquista is alive and well. :2wave:

YouTube- Aztlan Reconquista

Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!
 
State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier

State's new immigration law worries Arizona soldier - CNN.com


What if !!!

I saw this story earlier today and it made me think about the "what if".
What if some form of "let’s see you papers" bill was introduced on a national basis back in let’s say 1967. What if the ethnic group that I was born into had blue skin making us suspect as immigrant and illegal aliens. What if after I returned from Vietnam and was traveling between Walter Reed and where I was temporarily billeted during medical rehab and this bill was in place. What if I had to fear being stopped on the road and questioned if I was an illegal because I looked as if I was? I am sure that I would have even though I almost left my entire leg in Vietnam and had a piece of shrapnel only an inch between life and death.

What if I was Blue!!!
 
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Your statement was nearly identical to that of the white supremacists on Stormfront. My statements have been strongly opposed to the establishment of Mexican political authority over the U.S. Southwest. But whatever works in your world. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, yes! If for no other reason than is illustrated by that YouTube video, these illegal aliens should be turned back before they have the power to turn this country into a banana republic, like that which they came from!

If you wanted to be a bit more consistent, you'd jog over to the white supremacists on Stormfront whose talking points are so curiously similar to your own, and tell them that the conditions of Mexico and Central America are the consequence of apartheid regimes, the rule over Indian masses by a minority white ruling class. It was those ruling classes that created the "banana republics." Mesoamerican indigenous societies had reached a more progressive stage of urban development than their "conquerors."
 

LOL Can't you even quote me right?

Your views are lock step in with La Reconquista. Unlike you I don't put race above the law. That's your position.

Go ahead and deny it. I'll just quote you again
 

I looked up your “reconquista” idea. As I’d previously suspected, it’s related to the restoration of administrative control of the Mexican government in the U.S. Southwest.

The Reconquista Movement: Mexico's Plan for the American Southwest - HUMAN EVENTS


I’m actually not sure how you could maintain a view that’s blatantly wrong still. Mexicans aren’t a race or racial group; they are a national group, as are Canadians. They are composed of multiple races. :rofl

You regurgitate your same recycled talking point over and over again despite the fact that it’s been clearly explained to you why Hispanic government is colonial authoritarianism, and Indians are worse off in Mexico than they are in the United States. You wouldn’t happen to be a bot, would you?
 
I didn't want to open "your" link (nothing against you just fear if it is safe -linkophobia) can you tell us someting about this "truthout"?

I understand. Here's what their About Us page says:

They really look deeper than most other investigative groups. They have a wide range of topics their articles cover. You can sign up for a newsletter that comes daily. I trust it but, you would have to check it out yourself. The site is quite safe.


This is making more sense. They had the ability to check Id under the "probable cause" pretense already. This law allows them to stop people for simple suspicion. The legal Mexican population is growing fast. And most of them vote for Dems. So, it makes sense for the Gov., a Repub, to try some Rovian method to dwindle or discourage them. It's not like this is the first time they've pulled something like this.
 
Maybe we could sell Arizona to Mexico. Not the whole state, just the American owned parts. If not there's always ebay.
 
Not bad at all for a middle of the roader!

I mean, I could get all worked up about what happens in other people's states. But the reality is I don't live there and I don't know how it works in Arizona. The best use of state resources is by the state's people. It'd be depressingly idiotic if New York got to manage Arizona, and Arizona New York.
 
....It was those ruling classes that created the "banana republics....

Precisely my point! With enough power, as yielded by the guilt ridden white masses, THEY would turn this country into a Banana Republic. Case in point? Who do you think runs the country of Liberia????
 
Interesting topic of voting since you said that most "Mexican"-Americans voted for Dems I recall that certain Republicans claim that illrgal aliens vote in lage numbers. Anyone aware of factual sources for such stats? I mean something other than the Let's Send Them All BACK To Where They Came From PARTY..
 
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There is this wonderful concept I'd like to tell you about: it is called grammar.
 
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