arguments on abortion[W: 246]

[clownboy]

Re: arguments on abortion

So you believe in a system run by the government to do nothing more than end human life. To put citizens on death row for decades on decades with nothing to look forward to but someone killing them. How wonderful for you.

Let's be real about this, the only reason those convicted and sentenced to death spend so much time on death row is the exhaustion of all their appeals. Once the appeals are exhausted the sentence is applied.

 

[Henrin]

Re: arguments on abortion

Universal healthcare is not 'big government'. It makes for a healthier population, which in turn increases productivity. Preventing illness or illnesses from getting worse reduces lost productivity and money spent to treat the illness when it becomes (more) severe. This is fiscal conservatism, IMO.

Yes, we call that a nice conservative argument for big government. It's about as dishonest as you can go unless you fall face first in their social conservationism pool. Having the government involved in the healthcare of people is big government and like Medicare allows the government to have more say in healthcare decisions. As for cost, no, the introduction of UHC does NOT lower cost.

 

[Henrin]

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Please do not lie about what I say or do not say. I said nothing of the sort.

That is what being in support of the death penalty means.

 

[calamity]

1) as pointed out previously, my views on social welfare have little import to my views on abortion. But if you bothered to follow the actual discussion you are attempting to engage in, you would notice I was nice enough to answer this question when you first asked it

2) My first post on this thread explained how I was pro-abortion, but that I took issue with the idea that citizens without vaginas had no concern or interest in the debate

Sorry. I must have confused you with the other guy. Your comment about social welfare being "left programs" threw me.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Sorry. I must have confused you with the other guy. Your comment about social welfare being "left programs" threw me.

What are you even talking about?

 

[captainawesome]

I think that if you don't want an abortion don't get one. Other than that liberty means minding your own business.

 

[calamity]

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What are you even talking about?

I had you confused with this poster

He never said that.


Oh please, you were just ranting about how the right doesn't support the left programs. Get over it.

Because he was replying to my post responding to this, which I thought was from you.

I don't recall wanting to decriminalize murder for "the ones walking the earth." Or are you equating things and concepts stupidly and without regard for context? Yeah, probably so. Let's read on.



Do you really want to play this game where you pretend "the Right" a) which includes libertarians, wanted such a thing unilaterally or b) that "the Left" historically doesn't get us into or escalate needless wars?



You got your pro-socialism argument tangled in your pro-abortion argument there. What a hot mess. You ought to tend to that.

My bad. Sorry.

 

[code1211]

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Groovy...if that floats your boat...far out. I gave you the definition of both product and by-product...and you still insist on call a fetus "by-product", which a fetus isn't. Alrighty then.

If the activity results in an unwanted pregnancy, what was the goal of that activity?

If the goal was to produce a baby, then the pregnancy would be a wanted one. If the goal of the activity was anything else, then the pregnancy was not the goal and the pregnancy by definition is a by-product of the activity which was intended to produce something else.

 

[Henrin]

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@calamity

SS= FDR
Food Stamps= FDR
Section 8 housing= FDR
Pell Grants = LBJ
Medicare= LBJ
Medicaid= LBJ

I could do more if you want. The only one that will give me trouble really is public education that started back in the 19th century in the us.

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

If the activity results in an unwanted pregnancy, what was the goal of that activity?

If the goal was to produce a baby, then the pregnancy would be a wanted one. If the goal of the activity was anything else, then the pregnancy was not the goal and the pregnancy by definition is a by-product of the activity which was intended to produce something else.

In my day, they called it an accident. And, said accident was aborted, given up for adoption or there commenced a shotgun wedding. Rare was someone keeping their baby. THis was in the mid to late 70's. It wasn't until the late 80's that legal abortion became totally stigmatized, and single mom's started popping up all over the place.

Of course, you know who, then began whining about irresponsible teens having babies out of wedlock--not that the whiners were big fans of providing anyone free contraceptives. I swear the abstinence-only Right isn't happy unless women clamp their thighs shut.

 

[Henrin]

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--not that the whiners were big fans of providing anyone free contraceptives. I swear the abstinence-only Right isn't happy unless women clamp their thighs shut.

Why should people have to provide people what they want or need? Any answers?

 

[captainawesome]

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Why should people have to provide people what they want or need? Any answers?

That depends on what is being provided. For what purpose. Free polio vaccines were a good idea for example.

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

Why should people have to provide people what they want or need? Any answers?

Why should people deny women the right to terminate their own pregnancy? Any answers?

 

[Henrin]

Re: arguments on abortion

Why should people deny women the right to terminate their own pregnancy? Any answers?

Because killing your children is not a right.

Now, what about my question. Why should services be paid for you by others?

 

[calamity]

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Because killing your children is not a right.

Now, what about my question. Why should services be paid for you by others?

A fetus is not a child. It is a part of the woman's body.

If you insist women keep their unwanted pregnancy, you should pay for the by-product. And, if you are against that, you should help pay to prevent unwanted pregnancy. THat or MYOB.

 

[Henrin]

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A fetus is not a child. It is a part of the woman's body.

The word child disagrees you and the fetus is not part of the womans body.

If you insist women keep their unwanted pregnancy, you should pay for the by-product.

:roll: Why?

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

The word child disagrees you and the fetus is not part of the womans body.

You are wrong. THe fetus is very much a part of the woman's body--it cannot live for even a few seconds without her.

:roll: Why?

Because you are getting involved in something that isn't your concern. But, if you insist on making it your concern, you should pony up a few bucks. Otherwise, you are worse than the liberals who want everything for free.

 

[Henrin]

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You are wrong. THe fetus is very much a part of the woman's body--it cannot live for even a few seconds without her.

That doesn't make it part of her body.

Because you are getting involved in something that isn't your concern. But, if you insist on making it your concern, you should pony up a few bucks. Otherwise, you are worse than the liberals who want everything for free.

So the killing of other humans is not my concern? Interesting.

 

[code1211]

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In my day, they called it an accident. And, said accident was aborted, given up for adoption or there commenced a shotgun wedding. Rare was someone keeping their baby. THis was in the mid to late 70's. It wasn't until the late 80's that legal abortion became totally stigmatized, and single mom's started popping up all over the place.

Of course, you know who, then began whining about irresponsible teens having babies out of wedlock--not that the whiners were big fans of providing anyone free contraceptives. I swear the abstinence-only Right isn't happy unless women clamp their thighs shut.

I'm not sure your facts are right, but I don't see how the comment connects to what I posted.

 

[code1211]

Re: arguments on abortion

A fetus is not a child. It is a part of the woman's body.

If you insist women keep their unwanted pregnancy, you should pay for the by-product. And, if you are against that, you should help pay to prevent unwanted pregnancy. THat or MYOB.

If you are demanding that I pay for something, then that is literally my business.

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

If you are demanding that I pay for something, then that is literally my business.

If you are demanding women carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, then you should put your money where your mouth is and pay to support the unwanted byproduct.

 

[calamity]

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I'm not sure your facts are right, but I don't see how the comment connects to what I posted.

Maybe nothing. I was pretty much just commenting on the differences between then and now. Back in the 70's very few single women carried a pregnancy to term and kept the resulting baby. Most either aborted, gave it up or got married. Times have changed. I believe some demographics show that a majority of children are now born to single moms.

 

[Henrin]

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If you are demanding women carry an unwanted pregnancy to term, then you should put your money where your mouth is and pay to support the unwanted byproduct.

My mouth is on women mindlessly killing their children. It has nothing to do with anything else.

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

That doesn't make it part of her body.

Of course it does. It's not out there breathing air and taking in water on it's own. Don't be obtuse.

So the killing of other humans is not my concern? Interesting.

Nobody is killing other humans. Women are simply terminating unwanted pregnancies. Don't get all overly dramatic.

 

[calamity]

Re: arguments on abortion

My mouth is on women mindlessly killing their children. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Abortion is not "women mindlessly killing their children". Where do you get that nonsense?