• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Argue the other side.

2A of the Constitution authorizes one’s right to bear arms, recognizing one is expected to be a member of the militia to eliminate the need for a large standing army for the defense of our nation. The ability to mobilize arms to oppose the standing army of a rogue government under 2A is exemplified by the military might of the militia opposing the established government during the civil war

The lawful gun owner, who would relinquish his weapons, is then placed at a disadvantage when confronted by an unlawful gun bearer

There are sundry instances of lawful gun owners protecting themselves and/or others from imminent harm only because of their ability to bear arms

Armed criminals recognize their prospective targets are made softer when the potential victims are compliant with gun prohibitions, thereby incentivizing the commission of armed crime
 
Last edited:
OlNate said:
Ha...you know I can... ;) Of course, I feel like I already do, being a Lefty pro-responsible-gun-ownership fella.
Click to expand...

This is your pro gun control argument response to the OP.


You see folks.....this is just sad.
 
OlNate said:
Better than lying out my ass... :) Apology accepted.
Click to expand...

Talk about anything.....hockey, beer, your favorite movie.....anything but me. My god this obsession is amazing
 
vegas giants said:
Talk about anything.....hockey, beer, your favorite movie.....anything but me. My god this obsession is amazing
Click to expand...

And there's your concession. Accepted as well.

Have a nice day, Vegas. :)
 
vegas giants said:
I disagree
Click to expand...

Gun control to the extent that its been in some places has been found to be unconstitutional, such as in Washington D.C. for instance. Now, I would say West Virginia is a good role model for gun laws nationwide.
 
vegas giants said:
My god please tell me this is the end. Thank god. LOL
Click to expand...

It's all over, Vegas. Could have been a lot less painful if you just admitted you were fibbing...something to keep in mind the next time. :)
 
DebateChallenge said:
Gun control to the extent that its been in some places has been found to be unconstitutional, such as in Washington D.C. for instance. Now, I would say West Virginia is a good role model for gun laws nationwide.
Click to expand...

There are lots of places with gun control more extensive than west virginia that has not been found unconstitutional
 
OlNate said:
It's all over, Vegas. Could have been a lot less painful if you just admitted you were fibbing...something to keep in mind the next time. :)
Click to expand...

Another post about me. The obsession continues. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Another post about me. The obsession continues. LOL
Click to expand...

No, to you... As I said, if you quote me, I assume you want to chat, and therefore will answer you. I've been done a while, just trying to be courteous. (I'm Canadian, I have no choice, it's like a twitch, or something). Clearly you still want to chat.

I'll know you want this conversation to be over when you resist the urge to hit the Reply button. Till then, I'm all yours, bud. :)
 
OlNate said:
No, to you... As I said, if you quote me, I assume you want to chat, and therefore will answer you. I've been done a while, just trying to be courteous. (I'm Canadian, I have no choice, it's like a twitch, or something). Clearly you still want to chat.

I'll know you want this conversation to be over when you resist the urge to hit the Reply button. Till then, I'm all yours, bud. :)
Click to expand...

Keep it coming. This is freaking hilarious!
 
vegas giants said:
Keep it coming. This is freaking hilarious!
Click to expand...

Couldn't resist, huh? And you're calling me obsessed? haha..

Ok, well, since I'm done, but you wish to continue, what would you like to talk about Vegas? :) I chose the last time, and I was happy with the results. Do you wish to talk about the OP, or should we start another thread?
 
OlNate said:
Couldn't resist, huh? And you're calling me obsessed? haha..

Ok, well, since I'm done, but you wish to continue, what would you like to talk about Vegas? :) I chose the last time, and I was happy with the results. Do you wish to talk about the OP, or should we start another thread?
Click to expand...

No lets talk about the OP. I would love that. What is your response to it?
 
vegas giants said:
No lets talk about the OP. I would love that. What is your response to it?
Click to expand...

Well, I already gave it, but you don't seem to want to take that, so let me give it a real effort.

Gun control is important to me because guns are not. All they represent for me is risk to me and my loved ones. I have either had a bad experience with guns, or no experience with guns, so my opinion is based entirely in what is presented to me in the news, or in movies, and I feel no sense of ownership, so to lose them would represent no loss.

Every time I try to talk to gun rights advocates, I am immediately brushed off with the reminder that their (and my, I suppose) gun rights are guaranteed by our constitution. There is little to no room for compromise, and everyone is far too defensive to make me see the plus side of people other than me having ownership of dangerous items that I myself have no desire to own. Therefore my only recourse is to ask for blanket controls and bans - if they don't want to listen to me, I don't want to listen to them, and frankly the safety of myself and my family is far more important than anything to do with them.

Ultimately guns can and are used to produce death, and since I do not buy into American gun culture, I see no reason why we should have easy access to them. I really don't understand the issue, but I am afraid, that I understand very well, and because civil, open dialogue and compromise cannot be found, I want to throw my support behind broad brush definitions and controls - if they won't listen to me, I won't listen to them. I just need to feel like I'm doing something, as doing nothing doesn't feel right...I'm not sure what does, but that does not.

There...that's my effort. Whaddya think, Vegas?
 
Last edited:
OlNate said:
Well, I already gave it, but you don't seem to want to take that, so let me give it a real effort.

Gun control is important to me because guns are not. All they represent for me is risk to me and my loved ones. I have either had a bad experience with guns, or no experience with guns, so my opinion is based entirely in what is presented to me in the news, or in movies, and I feel no sense of ownership, so to lose them would represent no loss.

Every time I try to talk to gun rights advocates, I am immediately brushed off with the reminder that their (and my, I suppose) gun rights are guaranteed by our constitution. There is little to no room for compromise, and everyone is far too defensive to make me see the plus side of people other than me having ownership of dangerous items that I myself have no desire to own. Therefore my only recourse is to ask for blanket controls and bans - if they don't want to listen to me, I don't want to listen to them, and frankly the safety of myself and my family is far more important than anything to do with them.

Ultimately guns can and are used to produce death, and since I do not buy into American gun culture, I see no reason why we should have easy access to them. I really don't understand the issue, but I am afraid, that I understand very well, and because civil, open dialogue and compromise cannot be found, I want to throw my support behind broad brush definitions and controls - if they won't listen to me, I won't listen to them. I just need to feel like I'm doing something, as doing nothing doesn't feel right...I'm not sure what does, but that does not.

There...that's my effort. Whaddya think, Vegas?
Click to expand...
That's what we waited for? LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Thank you for finally addressing the OP
Click to expand...

You're welcome, but I was addressing the OP the entire time. :)

Here's how:

1) First post, conversational note to the OP, who already knows where I stand on guns, and that it is contrary to where my political leaning tells me I should land. I decided at that point not to go further, because a Progressive making a case against guns would seem to misunderstand the OP, thanks to tribalist assumptions.

2) I challenged your post in #10, because you were supposed to put yourself in someone else's shoes, when in fact all you seemed to want to do was demonize gun owners, which, rather than being the opposite of what you normally do, is what you always do.

3) You doubled down at some point, and made a vicious claim about DP users, to support why you made your post in #10 the way you did. I wanted proof and asked for it.

4) You went into Vegas mode, blabbered in every direction OTHER than providing the proof to back up your claim, including piling heaps of accusations and insults at me, until I left you no other place to go than to admit you'd been lying, either directly or by misdirection or omission. At that point I was satisfied to finish the discussion, but you didn't want to, so....

5) I gave you the opportunity to pick what to talk about, you asked for a more detailed explanation of what I wrote in #50, so I did.

6) You then insulted me.

7) Here we are. :)

Anything else you'd like to add, Vegas?
 
OlNate said:
You're welcome, but I was addressing the OP the entire time. :)

Here's how:

1) First post, conversational note to the OP, who already knows where I stand on guns, and that it is contrary to where my political leaning tells me I should land. I decided at that point not to go further, because a Progressive making a case against guns would seem to misunderstand the OP, thanks to tribalist assumptions.

2) I challenged your post in #10, because you were supposed to put yourself in someone else's shoes, when in fact all you seemed to want to do was demonize gun owners, which, rather than being the opposite of what you normally do, is what you always do.

3) You doubled down at some point, and made a vicious claim about DP users, to support why you made your post in #10 the way you did. I wanted proof and asked for it.

4) You went into Vegas mode, blabbered in every direction OTHER than providing the proof to back up your claim, including piling heaps of accusations and insults at me, until I left you no other place to go than to admit you'd been lying, either directly or by misdirection or omission. At that point I was satisfied to finish the discussion, but you didn't want to, so....

5) I gave you the opportunity to pick what to talk about, you asked for a more detailed explanation of what I wrote in #50, so I did.

6) You then insulted me.

7) Here we are. :)

Anything else you'd like to add, Vegas?
Click to expand...

Yes. Just one thing.


Do you think about me all day long? LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Yes. Just one thing.


Do you think about me all day long? LOL
Click to expand...

Not really. I'll share a true thing with you, since we're getting to be so tight and all. I have ADD. I also have a very stressful job. So, very often, in an effort to stay focused on the important things I need to do with my day, I keep this tab open for something to do with my moments when I need to look at something else for a sec. It allows me to keep my brain in problem solving mode, but to let the ADD move around until it's ready to get back on the real task - generally I can do this for a couple of minutes, and then pop back into the stuff that really matters - today it's tracking down some data discrepancies in our receiving system. I hate that stuff, walls and walls of data...it's the boring part of my job, you can't be an analyst if you are working with garbage data.

So actually, the thought devoted to this conversation has been relatively low. I think I like talking to you because you're very predictable, and so it doesn't take a lot of effort to brawl with you.

I do find it a little weird, though, that after accusing me of making this all about you all day, that you'd intentionally bring the conversation back to being about you. What's that all about? :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom