Are You Pro Life

[poppopfox]

Almost everybody knows that MURDER is wrong. We execute murderers:

1. To punish them.
2. To deter others.
3. To get rid of them.
4. For retribution.

#2 is not supported by the evidence- CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - DETERRENT OR STIMULUS TO MURDER?
A STATISTICAL STUDY OF THE ALLEGED DETERRENT EFFECT OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT ON THE HOMICIDE RATE CONFIRMS THE CONTENTION THAT EXECUTIONS ARE NO MORE OF A DETERRENT TO MURDER THAN LONG-TERM IMPRISONMENT.

Scientists agree, by an overwhelming majority, that the death penalty has no deterrent effect.
States without the death penalty continue to have significantly lower murder rates than those that retain capital punishment. And the few recent studies purporting to prove a deterrent effect, though getting heavy play in the media, have failed to impress the larger scientific community, which has exposed them as flawed and inconsistent.

Does Capital Punishment Deter Murder? A brief look at the evidence
In light of the massive amount of evidence before us, I see no alternative but to conclude that capital punishment cannot be justified on the basis of its deterrent effect. Justice Marshall, U.S. Supreme Court, Furman v. Georgia, 1972

 

[Noodlegawd]

#2 is not supported by the evidence- CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - DETERRENT OR STIMULUS TO MURDER?
A STATISTICAL STUDY OF THE ALLEGED DETERRENT EFFECT OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT ON THE HOMICIDE RATE CONFIRMS THE CONTENTION THAT EXECUTIONS ARE NO MORE OF A DETERRENT TO MURDER THAN LONG-TERM IMPRISONMENT.

I didn't say that it works. I said that's a reason to do it. The WAY we do it is hardly a deterrent, because it takes 20 years to carry out the sentence. Honestly, after 20 years on death row, execution is probably a mercy for a lot of its subjects.

Of course, this whole conversation is a massive irrelevant tangent, that started with a dishonest claim about what the phrase "Pro-Life" supposedly means.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Something interesting

if she had had an abortion, I never would have missed my husband because I probably would have married someone else. How can you miss somone who never existed?
I think we would have been better. If Charles Manson‘s mother had an abortion or Timothy McVeigh’s mother had an abortion. It’s so silly to act as though everyone born is a wonderful person.
The unborn is not living. What would happen if you removed a two week embryo from a woman? Tell me it’s a person, but you want to demand women go through all kinds of hardships. I bet you are a man.

gotcha

you want to be the decider on who deserves life and who doesn't - we've seen people like that through history haven't we?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Are you saying that an unborn fetus has no preferences at all? Does it not care whether it is born or not?

when my Dad was dying, he didn't have a preference .... was he not alive?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Then, why are you not fighting for daycare for all children ? why aren’t you fighting for welfare for all mothers who couldn’t get abortions? If a woman knows she cannot afford to raise a child. Are you willing for the state to support the child for 18 years?

sounds like you want the Govt to give $$$$$$ to women to have children ... pay for birth kinda deal, right ?

do you want the parents to be responsible for ANYTHING ?

 

[Gordy327]

gotcha

you want to be the decider on who deserves life and who doesn't - we've seen people like that through history haven't we?

A pregnant woman gets to decide if she wants to remain pregnant or not. It's her body being used and she has autonomy. So it's her choice!

sounds like you want the Govt to give $$$$$$ to women to have children ... pay for birth kinda deal, right ?

do you want the parents to be responsible for ANYTHING ?

Not everyone is responsible, much less be responsible parents. Some parent/s at a lower socioeconomic status require assistance. If you are opposed to government assistance, then abortion is a more affordable option, especially over the long term.

 

[renee]

sounds like you want the Govt to give $$$$$$ to women to have children ... pay for birth kinda deal, right ?

do you want the parents to be responsible for ANYTHING ?

Some Women can’t to take the responsibility and have to depend on the government to give them money and that’s why they want abortions. You want to force women who cannot afford to raise children to have babies but yet once they are born, you don’t give a damn.. who do you think is raising the child for 18 years? Isn’t that a responsibility?

 

[renee]

gotcha

you want to be the decider on who deserves life and who doesn't - we've seen people like that through history haven't we?

It’s so cute the way you say. “gotcha” you’re not smart enough to ever get me. I don’t want to be the decider of who can get an abortion or not. That is you. You and your need to control women

 

[renee]

when my Dad was dying, he didn't have a preference .... was he not alive?

Yes, your father was alive. But when he died, he wasn’t alive anymore. I call that post life and I call pregnancy prelife. Neither are viable people.

 

[Gordy327]

It’s so cute the way you say. “gotcha” you’re not smart enough to ever get me. I don’t want to be the decider of who can get an abortion or not. That is you. You and your need to control women

That's what it boils down to, control!

 

[hecatmoggie]

A pregnant woman gets to decide if she wants to remain pregnant or not. It's her body being used and she has autonomy. So it's her choice!

Not everyone is responsible, much less be responsible parents. Some parent/s at a lower socioeconomic status require assistance. If you are opposed to government assistance, then abortion is a more affordable option, especially over the long term.

except they don't, not in many states no .... there isn't a Right to have unborn's killed, and the laws allowing it are constantly changing

my side won bigly reversing Roe and we'll keep winning

 

[hecatmoggie]

Some Women can’t to take the responsibility and have to depend on the government to give them money and that’s why they want abortions. You want to force women who cannot afford to raise children to have babies but yet once they are born, you don’t give a damn.. who do you think is raising the child for 18 years? Isn’t that a responsibility?

go one step before ... if they're that irresponsible, why are they having sex ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

It’s so cute the way you say. “gotcha” you’re not smart enough to ever get me. I don’t want to be the decider of who can get an abortion or not. That is you. You and your need to control women

yep, I'll be the decider on allowing killing unborn's absolutely

I got no problem doing that

don't get pregnant unless you want to - every man and woman in the USA needs to do that. DO THAT and abortion would never be a question would it?

 

[Gordy327]

except they don't, not in many states no .... there isn't a Right to have unborn's killed, and the laws allowing it are constantly changing

No state prohibits a woman from having an abortion, only in obtaining one. But there is a right to bodily autonomy and to not have ones body used to benefit another without consent.

my side won bigly reversing Roe and we'll keep winning

Given the Kansas and Ohio votes, perhaps not as "bigly" as you imagine. Even less so when more states go to the voting booths.

go one step before ... if they're that irresponsible, why are they having sex ?

Because sex is fun and pleasurable. Because people get caught up in the heat of the moment. Because humans are horny. Need I continue?

yep, I'll be the decider on allowing killing unborn's absolutely

I got no problem doing that

Except the pregnant woman might have a problem with it! Who are you to decide for snyone else? It's certainly none of your business or concern.

don't get pregnant unless you want to - every man and woman in the USA needs to do that. DO THAT and abortion would never be a question would it?

Mind your own business and it wouldn't be an issue either. If a woman doesn't want to remain pregnant, she is not required to.

 

[hecatmoggie]

No state prohibits a woman from having an abortion, only in obtaining one. But there is a right to bodily autonomy and to not have ones body used to benefit another without consent.

Given the Kansas and Ohio votes, perhaps not as "bigly" as you imagine. Even less so when more states go to the voting booths.

Because sex is fun and pleasurable. Because people get caught up in the heat of the moment. Because humans are horny. Need I continue?

Except the pregnant woman might have a problem with it! Who are you to decide for snyone else? It's certainly none of your business or concern.

Mind your own business and it wouldn't be an issue either. If a woman doesn't want to remain pregnant, she is not required to.

my side will keep winning and every baby's life saved is a victory

Roe is dead ... bet you never thought you'd see that in your lifetime !!

 

[Gordy327]

my side will keep winning and every baby's life saved is a victory

Roe is dead ... bet you never thought you'd see that in your lifetime !!

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Voter trends say otherwise. Meanwhile, abortions ate still being performed and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[renee]

yep, I'll be the decider on allowing killing unborn's absolutely

I got no problem doing that

don't get pregnant unless you want to - every man and woman in the USA needs to do that. DO THAT and abortion would never be a question would it?

go one step before ... if they're that irresponsible, why are they having sex ?

Ask the guy. Or are you saying that all those men who have multiple partners are responsible, they can impregnate dozens of women

 

[renee]

except they don't, not in many states no .... there isn't a Right to have unborn's killed, and the laws allowing it are constantly changing

my side won bigly reversing Roe and we'll keep winning

Very interesting though winning “big ly” as you say (and it’s so cute with your little kid words) most disagrees with you and that is why many Republicans are going to lose elections as they have been showing. I’m afraid they’re going to have a law that if you throw away an acorn you destroy a forest. Look up analogy
A zygote is to an acorn as a baby is to a tree . A zygote can only be developed if a woman chooses to. Allow it to use her body. I still think you have uterus envy.

 

[renee]

go one step before ... if they're that irresponsible, why are they having sex ?

Oh darn it I keep forgetting that sex is only for men

 

[Patriotic Voter]

That's what it boils down to, control!

Obviously. If it was not about control, every abortion ban would have exceptions rape, incest, and maternal health and viability without technology (35 weeks) would be the limit.

 

[weaver2]

of course not - you want to blame anything else don't you? why not put the responsibility squarely where it belongs - on the shoulders of the two people who engage in sex that results in a pregnancy?

The religious right has consistently voted against programs that provide poor women with effective birth control, honest sex education, health insurance, paid maternity leave and then you complain about abortion?

more excuses and actually it appears you're in favor of killing poor people's unborns all in the name of helping people - that's sick

I'm in favor of letting people choose what they believe is best for them and their families.

a rich woman's unborn baby has no more or less value than a poor woman's unborn baby to say any different is sick

Culturally you are wrong. Financially you are also wrong. Socially you are very wrong and because a rich woman's fetus has great attention paid to pre-natal care, nutrition and support; intellectually the child will be of more value to society. In the US money =status and the fact that you think that is sick really doesn't seem to matter.

your side is one step away from Logan's Run except its killing off children and newborns in order to make humanity a better place.

The issue of abortion is serious not to be compared to a silly sci/fi oldie

ya'll sick IMO

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[hecatmoggie]

The religious right has consistently voted against programs that provide poor women with effective birth control, honest sex education, health insurance, paid maternity leave and then you complain about abortion?

there is a lot of BS in that, but I know its popular to say it

I'm in favor of letting people choose what they believe is best for them and their families.

kill them kids, what do they matter ... right ?

Culturally you are wrong. Financially you are also wrong. Socially you are very wrong and because a rich woman's fetus has great attention paid to pre-natal care, nutrition and support; intellectually the child will be of more value to society. In the US money =status and the fact that you think that is sick really doesn't seem to matter.

kill all those poor people, they got no right to live ... right ? You think prenatal care, nutrition, support determines value of life? so sad

The issue of abortion is serious not to be compared to a silly sci/fi oldie

You are entitled to your opinion.

opinion, belief and voting power enough to finally upend Roe and throw it in the trash where it belongs

 

[hecatmoggie]

Oh darn it I keep forgetting that sex is only for men

no, I'm 100% in favor of holding men liable for their children for 18 years until that child becomes an adult. 100% financially responsible and I've force that man to provide as much as I could

I never ever once said men wasn't equally responsible

 

[hecatmoggie]

Ask the guy. Or are you saying that all those men who have multiple partners are responsible, they can impregnate dozens of women

don't blame me for biology

 

[poppopfox]

except they don't, not in many states no .... there isn't a Right to have unborn's killed, and the laws allowing it are constantly changing

my side won bigly reversing Roe and we'll keep winning

Your side?