Are you excited about Trump's administration failing and, therefore, Americans suffering?

[Greenbeard]

What are the successes of Obamacare ?

The only decade-plus period of zero excess health care cost growth on record. The lowest uninsurance rate in history. Measurable improvement in the quality, safety, and organization of care delivered.

In other words, more people than ever getting better care while bending the cost curve. All utterly unprecedented.

 

[Parrish]

About excited as I was for my first colonoscopy.

 

[notquiteright]

Are you excited about it not ending well?

I think excited is a poor choice of words, MAGAs trying to push concerns of how this will turn out into being 'excited'....

 

[Real blank]

The only decade-plus period of zero excess health care cost growth on record. The lowest uninsurance rate in history. Measurable improvement in the quality, safety, and organization of care delivered.

In other words, more people than ever getting better care while bending the cost curve. All utterly unprecedented.

I did just mean that as a question, I’m not familiar with American healthcare. I am just asking what is it ?

 

[Maidenrules29]

You're a teacher, right? You understand that sometimes, it requires real consequences before lessons are learned. Well, unfortunately for the rest of us, there's likely to be real consequences and if it helps future generations, then that's the way it goes.

It's incredible how they justify his horrendous character and ignore his previous failures but obviously they didnt learn the first time around. Just like with addicts and alcoholics, no one else can make them change, they have to hit bottom and decides for themselves to change...or not. Yeah, it sucks for the rest of us but again, hopefully it will benefit future generations.

Elections are similar to children wanting instant gratification. The long-term consequences aren't even a thought because the focus is on what they want right now. In this case many Trump voters got to "own the libs" so right now they are happy as clams!

 

[Real blank]

Elections are similar to children wanting instant gratification. The long-term consequences aren't even a thought because the focus is on what they want right now. In this case many Trump voters got to "own the libs" so right now they are happy as clams!

So you are anti elections in general?

 

[Lursa]

So you are anti elections in general?

It doesnt seem like he's writing that facing consequences is necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Maidenrules29]

So you are anti elections in general?

No. And I should have worded that differently to say elections can be similar to children wanting instant gratification. Not all voters are childish morons.

 

[jaypatriot]

Americans suffer if Trump fails or succeeds. People in my life are more likely to suffer if he succeeds. Therefore I hope he fails and I hope his supporters suffer greatly for electing a traitor to the presidency.

Tell us, how are "People in your life are more likely to suffer if he (Trump) succeeds.?
That does not make any sense.

 

[jaypatriot]

They didn’t make a profit prior to 1973. That was when Nixon signed a law that his good friend and campaign contributor Kaiser promoted.

Ok. I want to set up a business. How much profit we show depends on how much we screw our clients. Does that sound like the sort of business that is ethical?

Since we are a capitalist society and people are free to patronize any company they like. doesn't it make sense to you that companies that "screw" customers are likely to fail?

 

[SavannahMann]

That's not true.

What you're really saying is Trump succeeding means Americans will suffer and that's nonsense.

Actually, it’s very true.

If Trump gets Obamacare repealed, then millions will lose their Health Insurance. It isn’t great, but it’s better than nothing.

If Trump slaps the Tariffs on, then costs will increase for All Americans. Families living on a shoestring will really suffer won’t they?

If Trump and his Minions manage to redefine Birthright Citizenship, then how many million Americans will cease being American overnight? I’d say being deported to a nation you know nothing about and have never been to is suffering.

When you say it’s nonsense, you mean for you and yours. Not that MAGA care about anyone but themselves anyway.

On a side note, did you read the Economist Article on how the Veterans are treated too well by the Government? Right in line with Elon and the Rest who want to cut benefits to the Vets right?

 

[SavannahMann]

Since we are a capitalist society and people are free to patronize any company they like. doesn't it make sense to you that companies that "screw" customers are likely to fail?

All the Insurance Companies do the same thing. Have you heard of “Usual and Customary”? This is what the Insurance Companies claim that Doctors charge for that visit, or procedure. Usual and Customary. I’ve never heard of any Doctor, even some Night School Grad who was at the bottom of his class, charging the “usual and customary” fee.

When it was a NonProfit, the focus was on the policyholders. When it became for profit, the focus shifted to the stockholders.

 

[Big Brother]

The entire left acts as if the country was a grand success during the Biden administration. It wasn't for the majority of Americans. The failures of the Biden administration are what got Trump reelected. Moreover, if the left thinks Trump is wrong and is going to fail, that is the best indicator that Trump is right on track to undo the disasters of the Biden administration. Lastly, who cares what the left thinks anyway? They're just bitter Karens who need to complain and annoy people. Ignore them.

 

[choiceone]

I think Trump is a pragmatic wheeler and dealer.
He wants his legacy to include getting his VP elected president in 2028.
He wants his legacy to be about getting rid of criminal migrants; being the greatest fossil fuel producer in the world; lowering inflation; a strong military; stopping Iran from having nuclear weapons; and ending wars in Ukraine and Gaza.

I agree. His problem is that such things as Medicare and Medicaid are actually necessary, so threatening to end them or dial them down too much is a serious mistake, whereas getting rid of fraud and abuse is a good thing. But I expect that guys like Musk will try to get rid of social programs and, on their journey, they will learn why we got them to begin with. Some people have to learn the hard way.

 

[choiceone]

It is more like his voters like mayhem and don't care much for the rule of law.

I envision biker gangs . . . .

 

[uptower]

It's inevitable and not exciting at all.

 

[choiceone]

It depends on who is writing the history.
There are Left-leaning and Conservative historians.

The thing is, American conservatives can't control professional historical science or scholarship because they can't control other countries far less conservative than themselves. England, Canada, Australia, France, etc., will all end up having a much greater effect on Trump's reputation than he imagines. The great America Trump wants again was generated by our faithfully helping our Allies against invasion by totalitarian states. What made us "great" was others, not ourselves.

 

[yankintx]

So you plan to 'punish' him and hope he fails for the next four years?
Is that how deep your dislike of him goes?
And if he is successful with his goals will you say he got lucky?

You assume way too much

The fat man screwed up the covid response and spent months denying he lost an election.

In 2 years Trump will be a lame duck

I am patient

 

[choiceone]

Why hasn't Obamacare managed to deter those nutcases who wish to see leaders of health insurers dead on the streets?
You would think that all the praise heaped on Obamacare, with all of its government subsidies, would obviate the need for some obviously deranged murderer to kill a health care executive on the streets of a major city.
If it is so good, then why aren't more people satisfied with that health care coverage?

The only kind of health care coverage that would give you what you want now is national socialized medicine. There was a time when this wouldn't have happened in the US, but that was before Reagan.

After about a decade plus of having Medicare and Medicaid, medical professionals and institutions didn't like the fact that their new potential clientele only brought in half of what the other patients did because government insurance only paid half as much. So they raised their prices slowly until finally government insurance paid the rate that should have been paid by everyone, and all other patients' insurance paid more than double what was appropriate.

When the health care costs went up so much, so did insurance, and to try to stop that inflation, people just stopped buying insurance. To make more money, the insurance companies became cheaper and cheaper, trying to deny holders payment for their medical care.

That led us to the ACA. However, Obama wanted a single payer approach, not the ACA, which emerged because private insurance companies pressured their GOP Representatives into giving them a better deal. The insurance companies have the same bad habits they had cultivated for decades. And so do the medical professionals.

So that's why people aren't satisfied, and the road back to the health care of the 1970s and earlier is now overgrown and we'd have to make a new road.

Everyone I know will tell you the problem is capitalist greed - money, money, money - even though they don't want to get rid of capitalism. They just want greedy people and companies to stop being greedy. Without that, look forward to lots of mentally ill people who don't get better.

 

[Josie]

I think excited is a poor choice of words, MAGAs trying to push concerns of how this will turn out into being 'excited'....

Concern and excited are two different things, I agree. But there are people who have said they're excited.

 

[jaypatriot]

You assume way too much

The fat man screwed up the covid response and spent months denying he lost an election.

In 2 years Trump will be a lame duck

I am patient

He still is not the president and already you hope he will fail.
Such a positive outlook for our great country.
Your TDS has no bounds.
Happy to say I am still cautiously optimistic.
That's a lot better than being pessimistic and hoping our duly elected president will fail.

 

[jaypatriot]

The thing is, American conservatives can't control professional historical science or scholarship because they can't control other countries far less conservative than themselves. England, Canada, Australia, France, etc., will all end up having a much greater effect on Trump's reputation than he imagines. The great America Trump wants again was generated by our faithfully helping our Allies against invasion by totalitarian states. What made us "great" was others, not ourselves.

You sound like your revered Obama who said, "They didn't build that!".
We saved democracy twice in two World Wars and you believe others did that and not America's industrial might and 450,000 lost soldiers in WW II.
Make sure your passport is in order so you can leave this terrible country.

 

[jaypatriot]

The entire left acts as if the country was a grand success during the Biden administration. It wasn't for the majority of Americans. The failures of the Biden administration are what got Trump reelected. Moreover, if the left thinks Trump is wrong and is going to fail, that is the best indicator that Trump is right on track to undo the disasters of the Biden administration. Lastly, who cares what the left thinks anyway? They're just bitter Karens who need to complain and annoy people. Ignore them.

It won't be too long before we hear of a GOFUNDME program to build a statue for that miserable vigilante bastard who decided shooting a CEO in the back was the way to right the wrongs of private health insurance companies.

 

[jaypatriot]

Actually, it’s very true.

If Trump gets Obamacare repealed, then millions will lose their Health Insurance. It isn’t great, but it’s better than nothing.

If Trump slaps the Tariffs on, then costs will increase for All Americans. Families living on a shoestring will really suffer won’t they?

If Trump and his Minions manage to redefine Birthright Citizenship, then how many million Americans will cease being American overnight? I’d say being deported to a nation you know nothing about and have never been to is suffering.

When you say it’s nonsense, you mean for you and yours. Not that MAGA care about anyone but themselves anyway.

On a side note, did you read the Economist Article on how the Veterans are treated too well by the Government? Right in line with Elon and the Rest who want to cut benefits to the Vets right?

As a veteran I can say they are being treated well by the government.
Benefits to veterans will not be cut.
I hope you are happy wearing your gloom-and-doom hat waiting for the next president to fail. Trump is not even the president yet and already you are hoping he fails.
It is truly sad to see so many anti-Trumpers on this site hoping he will fail.
If he fails, then the country fails.

 

[ajn678]

That’s very vague

Its not but okay.