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Are you brave enough to answer these two questions?

Is it Evil to own another person as property and beat them to death as long as they die later?

  • Yes

  • No

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bomberfox said:
Hoo boy wait til the discovery that slaves could be passed down as inheritance and different rules for gentile slaves comes in.
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Hoo boy...you act as though you're privy to knowledge no one else has...:rolleyes:
 
NO. "Evil" is a religious concept which is meaningless to me.

Both are very wrong, and should be punished.
 
Questerr said:
Slaves most definitely didn’t think slavery was okay.
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Sure beat starving to death...

Some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow Jews in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. Furthermore, at key junctures in the Jewish calendar, slaves were to be released if they so desired.* (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12) Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a “slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere.” What a stark contrast to the abusive systems of slavery that mar the annals of history!
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001646
 
Questerr said:
Was it okay for make a slave’s children property and to beat them too? Or was that evil?
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God’s Law stated that kidnapping and selling a human was punishable by death. Furthermore, Jehovah provided guidelines to protect slaves. For example, a slave who was maimed by his master would be set free. If a slave died because his master beat him, the master could be punished with death. Women captives could become slaves, or they could be taken as wives. But they were not to be used for mere sexual gratification. The gist of the Law must have led righthearted Israelites to treat slaves with respect and kindness, as if these were hired laborers.—Exodus 20:10; 21:12, 16, 26, 27; Leviticus 22:10, 11; Deuteronomy 21:10-14.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001646
 
Elora said:
Sure beat starving to death...

Some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow Jews in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. Furthermore, at key junctures in the Jewish calendar, slaves were to be released if they so desired.* (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12) Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a “slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere.” What a stark contrast to the abusive systems of slavery that mar the annals of history!
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001646
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I'd rather take my chances with starvation as a free man.

"I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees"
 
NolanVoyd said:
I'd rather take my chances with starvation as a free man.

"I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees"
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Says the one who's probably never experienced it...lol...
 
Questerr said:
Really? That’s the biggest condemnation of slavery you can give? It’s hurts people’s feelings?
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Its this thing in me, Questerr. When someone is trying brazenly, transparently to drive home a propaganda point on which rests an argument or agenda without being forthcoming about the argument or agenda, I get first bemused, then obstinate - regardless of the direction I may suspect that argument or agenda lay.

This is sitting in Beliefs and Skepticism. That's our only clue. I don't see why I shouldn't play games with my answer, if you are playing games with your question. Just make your argument up front.
 
Questerr said:
Are you brave enough to answer these two simple questions about morality:

Is it evil to own another person as property?

Is it evil to beat someone you own as property to death so long as it takes them a couple days to die from their injuries?

These should be relatively slam dunk questions.
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Why do you ask?
 
Elora said:
Sure beat starving to death...

Some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow Jews in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. Furthermore, at key junctures in the Jewish calendar, slaves were to be released if they so desired.* (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12) Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a “slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere.” What a stark contrast to the abusive systems of slavery that mar the annals of history!
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001646
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That only applies to *Hebrew* slaves. Gentiles slaves were purely property and were bought or captured. They didn’t voluntarily enter slavery.

BTW would you voluntarily be someone’s slave if they could beat you to death where you died in agony a couple days later and they would face no legal repercussions?
 
Elora said:
God’s Law stated that kidnapping and selling a human was punishable by death. Furthermore, Jehovah provided guidelines to protect slaves. For example, a slave who was maimed by his master would be set free. If a slave died because his master beat him, the master could be punished with death. Women captives could become slaves, or they could be taken as wives. But they were not to be used for mere sexual gratification. The gist of the Law must have led righthearted Israelites to treat slaves with respect and kindness, as if these were hired laborers.—Exodus 20:10; 21:12, 16, 26, 27; Leviticus 22:10, 11; Deuteronomy 21:10-14.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102001646
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I notice you deliberately avoid mentioning Exodus 20:20-21 where it explicitly says that masters are allowed to beat their slaves to death so long as it takes them a couple days to die.

Also you are lying. The Bible lays out specific rules for selling slaves. It did not say it was punishable by death.
 
There is the same question - and more:

Letter to Dr. Laura: "Why can’t I own Canadians?"

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Questerr said:
That only applies to *Hebrew* slaves. Gentiles slaves were purely property and were bought or captured. They didn’t voluntarily enter slavery.

BTW would you voluntarily be someone’s slave if they could beat you to death where you died in agony a couple days later and they would face no legal repercussions?
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Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26, 27.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011251
 
Questerr said:
I notice you deliberately avoid mentioning Exodus 20:20-21 where it explicitly says that masters are allowed to beat their slaves to death so long as it takes them a couple days to die.

Also you are lying. The Bible lays out specific rules for selling slaves. It did not say it was punishable by death.
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Maybe because you've got the wrong scriptures...it's chapter 21, not chapter 20...;)
 
Elora said:
Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26, 27.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011251
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Why are you ignoring the following line after Exodus 21:20?

Exodus 21:21 makes it clear that a master who beats his slave will not be punished if it takes several days for them to die. They will only be punished if they die right away.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent the Bible?
 
Elora said:
Maybe because you've got the wrong scriptures...it's chapter 21, not chapter 20...;)
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Elora said:
Maybe because you've got the wrong scriptures...it's chapter 21, not chapter 20...;)
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So you are aware of Chapter 21 and the evil filth in it, yet still worship the god whose supposed word it is?
 
Questerr said:
Why are you ignoring the following line after Exodus 21:20?

Exodus 21:21 makes it clear that a master who beats his slave will not be punished if it takes several days for them to die. They will only be punished if they die right away.

Why do you have to lie and misrepresent the Bible?
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Why can't you read? lol...
 
Elora said:
Why can't you read? lol...
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I can. Exodus 21:20-21

“20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.”

Is it evil to own people as property and to beat them to death even if they live for a few days after the beating?
 
Questerr said:
I can. Exodus 21:20-21

“20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.”

Is it evil to own people as property and to beat them to death even if they live for a few days after the beating?
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Sorry, when a person lies about me and to me, not once, but over and over, it's time to stop attempting to give them an explanation because it's not an explanation they are seeking...
 
Elora said:
Sorry, when a person lies about me, not once, but over and over, it's time to stop attempting to give them an explanation because it's not an explanation they are seeking...
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I have no lied once. I have repeatedly only referenced what the Bible says.

I’m sorry that you are so tied up in the worship of an evil monster and it’s cult that you can’t see past that. But by all means, go back to telling us about how some children need to be murdered because they might be bad when they grow up
 
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