Are you a proponent of Marxism in the US?

[Grandpappy]

Yes, no, to a certain extent or don't know?

 

[Questerr]

Yes, no, to a certain extent or don't know?

Define what you mean by Marxism. Because there are a lot of Rightwingers on this site that think “Marxism” is “anything to the Left of Ayn Rand”.

 

[BirdinHand]

No.

 

[Grandpappy]

Define what you mean by Marxism. Because there are a lot of Rightwingers on this site that think “Marxism” is “anything to the Left of Ayn Rand”.

Let's see if I can distill it down for you.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. This is "equity".
American "equality" is a different thing altogether.

 

[Mr Person]

Do you like to cabbage your quasars?

Define what you mean by Marxism. Because there are a lot of Rightwingers on this site that think “Marxism” is “anything to the Left of Ayn Rand”.

To @Grandpappy, a "Marxist" is anything Trump or Fox told him to bad mad at.

 

[Questerr]

Let's see if I can distill it down for you.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. This is "equity".
American "equality" is a different thing altogether.

That axiom does not in any way define Marxism.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Yes, but I doubt what I mean by Marxism means what you think it does.

 

[Questerr]

BTW re: Equality vs Equity

 

[BirdinHand]

That axiom does not in any way define Marxism.

It is actually the final stage of Marx’s theories. The stateless communism stage that would be globally embraced.

 

[Loulit01]

Define what you mean by Marxism. Because there are a lot of Rightwingers on this site that think “Marxism” is “anything to the Left of Ayn Rand”.

I'd say anything to the left of Attila the Hun.

 

[Questerr]

It is actually the final stage of Marx’s theories. The stateless communism stage that would be globally embraced.

It's just an axiom. It has no real meaning, no specifics, no policies. It isn't any kind of "ism".

 

[BirdinHand]

It's just an axiom. It has no real meaning, no specifics, no policies. It isn't any kind of "ism".

It is a quote, roughly translated, from Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

It is actually the final stage of Marx’s theories. The stateless communism stage that would be globally embraced.

Marx wrote in the context of industrialization. He popularized that phrase writing about what a post scarcity society might look like.

Marx delineated the specific conditions under which such a creed would be applicable—a society where technology and social organization had substantially eliminated the need for physical labor in the production of things, where "labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want".[19] Marx explained his belief that, in such a society, each person would be motivated to work for the good of society despite the absence of a social mechanism compelling them to work, because work would have become a pleasurable and creative activity.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is an idea we literally have to seriously consider in the future. How do we distribute things if we successfully automate all jobs that are required to produce goods?

 

[BirdinHand]

It's just an axiom. It has no real meaning, no specifics, no policies. It isn't any kind of "ism".

And, was actually a rather popular slogan in the 1800's during that Labor Movement.

 

[Questerr]

It is a quote, roughly translated, from Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme.

And it does not in any way encapsulate Marxism.

 

[beefheart]

Yes, no, to a certain extent or don't know?

Absolutely! Even Zeppo!

 

[Integrityrespec]

Define what you mean by Marxism. Because there are a lot of Rightwingers on this site that think “Marxism” is “anything to the Left of Ayn Rand”.

Marxist and communist styled ideology has no place in the U.S. Too many of those on the left have embraced some of those ideas without realizing the consequences of these things. The control over peoples thoughts and actions and censoring of peoples speech are a very dangerous thing. This goes across the board. Democracy is not an, "end justifies the means." situation.

 

[BirdinHand]

And it does not in any way encapsulate Marxism.

I'll trust Marx's words on the matter, thanks.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I'll trust Marx's words on the matter, thanks.

Did you read my comment? That quote was specifically in the context of a theoretical post-scarcity society.

 

[Felis Leo]

BTW re: Equality vs Equity

Wouldn't the proper response be building a solid barrier high enough to prevent all those free-loading kids who didn't pay for tickets from watching the game?

 

[BirdinHand]

Did you read my comment? That quote was specifically in the context of a theoretical post-scarcity society.

I've studied Marx academically, I'm aware of his vision as the final "version" of society.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I've studied Marx academically, I'm aware of his vision as the final "version" of society.

So then why are you lying and using the quote in a context it doesn't apply to?

 

[The Work Outing]

So...do I think America will eventually become communist?
No.
But 'forever' is a LONG time.

 

[SCrider]

Yes, no, to a certain extent or don't know?

You don't understand what Marxism or for that matter communism is in the first place. Hard to have a discussion on concepts you don't understand.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yes, no, to a certain extent or don't know?

What do you think about Donald Trump and what he said about the crowd chanting to hang Pence and how trump answered that question?