Are Work from Home employees spoiled? (1 Viewer)

[Bucky]

Amazon announced on February 17 that it had "conclude[d] that we should go back to being in the office together the majority of the time (at least three days per week)," said CEO Andy Jassy in a message to employees. The policy takes effect in May.

Amazon workers who had grown used to the company's more flexible in-office work models began to "spam" a company messaging platform about the change in frustration, according to CNBC.

"By arbitrarily forcing return-to-office without providing data to support it and despite clear evidence that it is the wrong decision for employees, Amazon has failed its role as earth's best employer," one employee wrote, according to the report.

Others were concerned about finding childcare or having to move to another city. One person wrote that their new car had a mile limit of 16,000 a year; they leased it considering a lack of commute. Per CNBC, "remote advocacy" became a common Slack channel status.

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

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Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

 

[mrjurrs]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas!

You should check productivity numbers...
" Several studies over the past few months show productivity while working remotely from home is better than working in an office setting. On average, those who work from home spend 10 minutes less a day being unproductive, work one more day a week, and are 47% more productive."

Surprising Working From Home Productivity Statistics (2025)

With the world discovering alternative ways to work without human contact, the work from home force is getting a facelift. Companies must cope with most non-essential workers completing their work at home. Amidst a pandemic, could your productivity working from home actually be better? An Upwork...

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I would suggest the return to work movement is driven by middle management that is being exposed for how little they contribute to the end product.

 

[Bucky]

You should check productivity numbers...
" Several studies over the past few months show productivity while working remotely from home is better than working in an office setting. On average, those who work from home spend 10 minutes less a day being unproductive, work one more day a week, and are 47% more productive."

Surprising Working From Home Productivity Statistics (2025)

With the world discovering alternative ways to work without human contact, the work from home force is getting a facelift. Companies must cope with most non-essential workers completing their work at home. Amidst a pandemic, could your productivity working from home actually be better? An Upwork...

www.apollotechnical.com

I would suggest the return to work movement is driven by middle management that is being exposed for how little they contribute to the end product.

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work. The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

 

[multivita-man]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Employees are fat, spoiled, and lazy whether they work from home or in an office - has nothing to do with zooming to work.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

True, and from a team building perspective, that would be among my primary concerns. However, I know plenty of companies that had 100% fully-remote workers before the pandemic. If other employees are bent out of shape they can pay tens of thousands of dollars in loans and interest to reskill and find work that allows them to work from home - just like the people working from home did. Suck it up, buttercup.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

I mean, yeah, that was ridiculous, but that's extreme. Most people just don't want to commute and don't want all of their waking hours dedicated to work. Study after study has shown working more hours doesn't necessarily make you more productive either. And working more hours + 1-2 hours commuting back and forth each day sure as hell doesn't make you more productive.

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

Companies who obsess over making their workforce come back to the office are going to lose good employees. There will be companies out there that are more flexible, and people who work from home can probably go into business for themselves if they have the right skillset.

 

[mrjurrs]

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work. The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

Shall we look at labor productivity numbers, or profit numbers first?

I don't deny that you lose the 'water cooler' ideas that are often very good. But to claim communication is lost because it is not face to face flies in the face about what we know about communication today.

 

[multivita-man]

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

Get used to it, Boomer. Gen-Z and Millennials are taking company culture and shoving it up management's ass, and a recession isn't going to change them. AI might soften them a bit, but AI will also make entrepreneurship easier, too.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work.

Companies adapt or they lose. Period.

The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

I think managers are just nervous because they can't see people working and they don't know how to deal with it. I'm not an advocate of 100% remote work but the traditional office is dead in the minds of America's youngest workers, and they're not changing their minds on this.

 

[dmpi]

I'm out of the game. However as a stockholder I think it's management's job to figure out who is and who isn't a productive worker.

 

[beefheart]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

I've been working from home for 10 years. Before, during and after the pandemic.

We don't need to be in an office, our team is in Phoenix, San Jose, Portland and Colorado Springs.

We get our work done, we don't need an office. We don't even have a physical location in Arizona.

 

[Liberal7360]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

Lazy?

No.

When you work from home, you're always at work.

When I was first hired by my employer, they wanted my whole inventory of photos. All of it was on film. I had to scan over 2 and a half decades of photos. Then edit them, caption them and finally transmit them to my employer. Then send a disk of them by snail mail to my employer.

I literally woke up, walked down the hall to my office, turned on my equipment and went to work. I worked from the early morning until after midnight. I did that for over three and a half years.

During those years I sold a house, bought a new one and moved. When I started my child was 5 years old. So I was also raising a child at the same time.

That's on top of current jobs I had to do. There was a 24 hour turn around on photos so I was up until dawn scanning film.

I changed to a digital camera. No more scanning.

I worked jobs that I was on the site at 9 am until around 2 am. Then went either home or to a hotel to edit, caption and transmit the photos. So I got to bed around 6 in the morning. And was back on the job site again at 9 am to do it all over again.

I take huge offense at anyone who says people who work from home are lazy. Most of us get more done before noon than those in an office get done in a whole day.

 

[TheGoverness]

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work. The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

To quote a character from Andor:

"Systems change or they die."

Companies need to move with the change.

 

[reflechissez]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

What are you upset about?

 

[Liberal7360]

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work. The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

Excuse me but Getty Images is the number one and largest photo company in the world. They only hire the best of the best of the best.

They hired me in 2003.

They started here in my hometown as a small company.

I would say at least 80% of the employees work from home or a hotel.

I have never worked from an office with Getty Images.

We have a cohesive and vibrant work culture and we all are close. Both photographers I work with in real time and editors I work with online and over the phone. In fact, we are a tight group. We work together very well. We help one another on the job and when the work is done. We socialize together after the work is done too. So it's not just people who work together but people who share the same experiences and have both work and not work bonds.

It's obvious to me you have never worked from home and don't know what you are talking about.

 

[BirdinHand]

Remote and hybrid work schedules existed well before Covid.

Covid expanded its utilization.

Productivity studies have shown that the vast majority of remote employees are just as (if not more) productive as employees working onsite.

Employee satisfaction, employee engagement studies have shown a very positive increase as more have been able to work remote or hybrid schedules.

 

[multivita-man]

What are you upset about?

Someone's standing on his lawn.

 

[Lursa]

Amazon Workers Are Fighting (Each Other) About Office Return | Entrepreneur

Some 28,000 people reportedly joined a channel to fight Amazon's new return to office policy. But, new Slack channel of a couple hundred thinks differently.

www.entrepreneur.com

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Such a baiting post...and silly.

Arent we getting the same amount and quality of work done? If not, those employees should be required to go into work or just fired.

What's the problem?

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

LMAO, IMO this just screams "envy." Tough shit, not all jobs are geared towards WFH but at least kids coming out of HS and choosing their paths in life can prepare for remote jobs if that appeals to them.

 

[Gatsby]

Many employees fighting to return to the office have become fat, spoiled, and lazy.

Many employees did not have the luxury of working from home, even during the height of the pandemic.

Get a different/better job if you want to work from home but can't.

Honestly, this results from a lot of poor long-term life planning. Who, for example, moved to Puerto Rico or Mexico City so they could work from home. Did they think it would last forever?

I'm still working from home every day, doing the digital nomad lifestyle when I can, and enjoying it. If my employer demands that I return to the office at some point in the future, that's absolutely their right...just as it's my right to quit.

Remote advocacy is dumb. Suck it up, drive, or commute to work. You can no longer work from your bed wearing pajamas! You have to sit through traffic! Oh, God, the humanity!

I don't understand the hostility toward people who want a different lifestyle than you do. If you want to drive to an office and sit in a cubicle, there are plenty of employers who will be happy to have you. What's wrong with others not wanting that?

The sad thing is we are in 2023! Many people returned to work in 2021 and 2022, and some still don't want to return now. That's some major entitlement.

I'd be fine with never going into an office again.

 

[Lursa]

You cannot build a cohesive, vibrant culture for any strong company when everyone is working from home.

Prove it...sources? And no one says (that I'm aware of) that employees cant come in for special occasions, events, conferences, etc.

The majority of companies are structurally built for in-person work. The majority of middle management wants workers to return because communication has gone down the toilet.

The majority of roads were structurally built for horses and buggies...seems we got around that. The majority of phones were structurally built to all be connected to Ma Bell...seems we managed to upgrade and improve just fine. Shall I go on?

 

[Lex Talionis]

I work from home, and am in better health and more productive than ever. You can **** off.

 

[Lursa]

Shall we look at labor productivity numbers, or profit numbers first?

I don't deny that you lose the 'water cooler' ideas that are often very good. But to claim communication is lost because it is not face to face flies in the face about what we know about communication today.

I dunno, we get on some pms that go way down a rathole discussing social and personal stuff all the time. Same on Teams meetings. Lots of stuff shared on 'non-work' folders in Teams too.

And where are companies working remotely without face to face apps? Heck, we can share screens and share tools on kan-bans, diagrams, etc.

 

[Lursa]

I've been working from home for 10 years. Before, during and after the pandemic.

We don't need to be in an office, our team is in Phoenix, San Jose, Portland and Colorado Springs.

We get our work done, we don't need an office. We don't even have a physical location in Arizona.

Me too. And for just as long, longer, we've had teams all over the world that we had to 'meet' with and include.

 

[Candyman]

Unlike the OP, who appears to have found many clouds to yell at, I envy people who can work remotely. I have been at work in one way or another all through the pandemic. That’s what happens when you work in healthcare. Believe me, if I could work remotely I’d do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Bucky]

Unlike the OP, who appears to have found many clouds to yell at, I envy people who can work remotely. I have been at work in one way or another all through the pandemic. That’s what happens when you work in healthcare. Believe me, if I could work remotely I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Tell me how a doctor or nurse can work from home remotely. Can that surgeon perform heart surgery on you remotely?

 

[Candyman]

Tell me how a doctor or nurse can work from home remotely. Can that surgeon perform heart surgery on you remotely?

Ummmmm. They can't. That's kinda the point of my post. I pretty much said healthcare can't work remotely.

 

[Bucky]

I work from home, and am in better health and more productive than ever. You can **** off.

There is no proof working from home is more healthy for you.

Studies have shown working from home can make your health worse, though:

Can working from home lead to depression?

Working from home can affect a person's mental health. Various factors, including age, sex, communication, exercise, and caregiving responsibilities, influence its effects.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Working from home has negatively impacted physical health and mental health, study finds

What impact has working from home as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic had on our health? In a new study, researchers from USC have found that working from home has negatively impacted our physical health and mental health, increased work expectations and distractions, reduced our communications...

www.news-medical.net

 

[Bucky]

Prove it...sources? And no one says (that I'm aware of) that employees cant come in for special occasions, events, conferences, etc.



The majority of roads were structurally built for horses and buggies...seems we got around that. The majority of phones were structurally built to all be connected to Ma Bell...seems we managed to upgrade and improve just fine. Shall I go on?

Do you have proof or sources? I live in the real world, not in the world of theory.

The point is a lot of these work-from-home jobs were created due to the pandemic, and why do they continue to exist when the pandemic is over?