Are we really going to be a people without a party?

[Bassman]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

 

[Chillfolks]

I may end up regretting asking but what do you see as the moral decay and how would you fix it

 

[The Old Soul]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

How about we eliminate all Parties altogether? That way it would be the moral decay of the individual, instead of the moral decay of the party which drag along everyone who subscribes. My guess is that the Framers did not foresee the influences and powers of the 2-party system like we have today, or they would have accounted for them.

 

[D_NATURED]

The libertarians do NOT walk in lockstep with liberals. Liberals do NOT oppose religious liberty, just religious hegemony. And, your entire premise is ignorant, paranoid hogwash.

If the republican't give such a large shit about moral decay, why did they elect a morally fluid, rapist, mobster to be president?

 

[Glitch]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

Here is a novel concept for you: Vote for the candidate, not the political party.

You should be researching the individual candidates and determining which one you feel is the best for the job, not depending on political parties to tell you for which candidate to vote.

 

[Mr Person]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

You seriously don't understand why the libertarians line up with Democrats on social issues, instead of with the party that wants to shove the bible down everyone's throat?

That is a thing you do not get?

 

[jnug]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

Its not a moral country. Never has been. Perhaps you can point out a single moral determinant of any relevance in the life of the Country from inception till today. GOOD LUCK!

Independence??? NOPE
Civil War???? NOPE
WW1???? NOPE
WW2???? NOPE
Great Society, Civil Rights Legislation and Voter Rights???? NOPE
Vietnam War???? NOPE
Iraq 1 or 2???? NOPE

 

[Decypher]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

Maybe the party of small government should stay out of people’s personal business.

 

[rickc]

The deplorables don't deserve a party. They have destroyed the GOP.

Right wing hate media created the most misinformed voter base on the world. The GOP catered to them for their votes. Real Republicans were appalled and backed away from the party. Now all the GOP has is those angry white poorly educated men that have been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and the boys and girls at Faux News.

 

[Decypher]

How about we eliminate all Parties altogether? That way it would be the moral decay of the individual, instead of the moral decay of the party which drag along everyone who subscribes. My guess is that the Framers did not foresee the influences and powers of the 2-party system like we have today, or they would have accounted for them.

So odd the omniscient Framers didn’t forsee the dysfunctional two party dystopia American has become. Maybe that oppressive parliamentary system wasn’t so bad after all. Perhaps Adams and the boys didn’t actually know everything in the end.

 

[Phys251]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

As long as we have a presidential system, third parties are a nonstarter.

And I'm going to need to see proof that the impotent Libertarian Party "walks in complete lockstep" with the Democratic party.

 

[Phys251]

So odd the omniscient Framers didn’t forsee the dysfunctional two party dystopia American has become. Maybe that oppressive parliamentary system wasn’t so bad after all. Perhaps Adams and the boys didn’t actually know everything in the end.

They didn't even clarify who would interpret the Constitution when nobody could agree on it.

On days such as today, that's kind of important.

 

[Chomsky]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

The Libertarian-Democrat connection is not unexpected. Both parties are champions of liberty. As differing from Republican 'law & order' authoritarianism.

 

[Decypher]

They didn't even clarify who would interpret the Constitution when nobody could agree on it.

On days such as today, that's kind of important.

Yes, originalists act as if Moses came down from the mountain with the Constitution inscribed by God’s hand on the stone tablets. Rather than the document of compromise written by some squabbling farmers that it actually was.

 

[Bum]

Are we really going to be a people without a party?

I have been without a party for decades.....I am hard pressed to see a distinct downside to this alternative.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

So, what will happen now that the GOP has become the Party of Trump (gone to POT)? I like the idea of voting for the person rather than the party, but that describes a no party system. What we're likely to have is a one party system, which will not serve us well. The two parties need to be able to check one another.

One scenario is that the GOP will put aside Trumpism and become once again a party that values strong families, limited federal government, and individual responsibility. Another is that yet another charismatic leader will take over that party and mold it into his/her image, just as Trump has done.

The best case scenario, IMO, would be to set aside partisan politics and vote for the best candidates, but I can't see the average voter doing that.

 

[Phys251]

Yes, originalists act as if Moses came down from the mountain with the Constitution inscribed by God’s hand on the stone tablets. Rather than the document of compromise written by some squabbling farmers that it actually was.

Precisely. It's a document full of compromises suited for that time. For instance, why does every state get two Senators while the House is apportioned by population? Because it took that compromise between the small and large states to get the Constitution through Congress.

 

[Phys251]

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Here's a game you could play with that picture: Find everything that's not fake.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Here's a game you could play with that picture: Find everything that's not fake.

Barron. Mother****in’ anti-christ. You folks think I’m kidding but ha ha I saw the goddamn Omen. :O

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

How about we eliminate all Parties altogether? That way it would be the moral decay of the individual, instead of the moral decay of the party which drag along everyone who subscribes. My guess is that the Framers did not foresee the influences and powers of the 2-party system like we have today, or they would have accounted for them.

The Founders created the two party system.

Hamilton founded the Federalist Party. Jefferson and Madison founded the Democratic-Republican Party.

 

[Bassman]

Only confirms the fact that the Left want total control over the entire country.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Only confirms the fact that the Left want total control over the entire country.

If the "left" means Democrats, and if Trump has so radically altered the Republican Party, then the "left" may just get what it wants.

 

[Questerr]

As long as we have a presidential system, third parties are a nonstarter.

And I'm going to need to see proof that the impotent Libertarian Party "walks in complete lockstep" with the Democratic party.

It's not so much having a presidential system. It's having a first-past-the-post electoral system that creates a two party stranglehold. If we had proportional or preferential voting, along with immediate run-off elections, third parties would become viable.

 

[Questerr]

Libertarians Could Appeal To Social Conservatives. They Just Don't Want To

Libertarians have lost an opportunity to lure conservatives by picking socially liberal candidates who oppose religious liberty and free association.

thefederalist.com

With some calling for the end of the Republican Party, there have been those encouraging the Libertarian Party to step up. There's just one small problem. The Libertarian Party seems to want to walk in complete lockstep with the Democrats on social issues, so where does that leave us, when we have a society that won't accept the fact there are people who really give a damn about the moral decay in America.

Can you give us a time in American history when there wasn't "moral decay"? A decade would be fine.