Are there people on the left with enough honesty to acknowledge Rittenhouse acted in self defense?

[mrjurrs]

Watch the video.

Answer the question.

 

[ASHES]

Answer the question.

He does have injuries. He is not required to wait until he is severely injured to defend himself.

 

[mrjurrs]

He does have injuries. He is not required to wait until he is severely injured to defend himself.

Never said he did. I said he was a wimp for not defending himself without the gun. People get beaten up all the time. Rarely, someone dies. Somebody swung a skateboard at him? He could have swung the gun back, but this knucklehead starts shooting. Whatever the outcome, people are dead because of this guys bad decision making.

 

[bave]

Never said he did. I said he was a wimp for not defending himself without the gun. People get beaten up all the time. Rarely, someone dies. Somebody swung a skateboard at him? He could have swung the gun back, but this knucklehead starts shooting. Whatever the outcome, people are dead because of this guys bad decision making.

No. 100% no.

I have carried a weapon in combat zones. When you are attacked it means you are at very high risk of losing control of your own weapon. You don't let someone lay hands on your weapon at any point. You grab the barrel of someone's rifle or put their hand on your holstered weapon and you can be killed for that. No one wants to see their weapon taken from them by a violent aggressor only to be turned against them.

 

[Outlook]

Look man, all I'm saying is we shouldn't be encouraging teenagers to open carry at protests. If you disagree talk to the average teenager.

18 and 19 year old are teenagers too and we send them to wars to fight and die.

Let's face it, this was not a protest. Be real. This was a riot.
We shouldn't be encouraging teenagers during peaceful protests to throw bricks and frozen water bottles or carry lasers to shine into the eyes of police. We shouldn't encourage teenagers to steal or commit arson.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

18 and 19 year old are teenagers too and we send them to wars to fight and die.

Well, it might not surprise you I don't especially agree with that either.

Let's face it, this was not a protest. Be real. This was a riot.
We shouldn't be encouraging teenagers during peaceful protests to throw bricks and frozen water bottles or carry lasers to shine into the eyes of police. We shouldn't encourage teenagers to steal or commit arson.

I agree, but that seems like a bit of a what-about-ism. Sure, discourage all that, but also discourage teenagers going out armed to meet them if that does happen.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I still say Kyle gets rich for killing two guys.

 

[Buckeyes85]

18 and 19 year old are teenagers too and we send them to wars to fight and die.

Not a valid point. We don't send 17 year olds with bad decision making skills and little to no training into a combat zone.

 

[ASHES]

Never said he did. I said he was a wimp for not defending himself without the gun. People get beaten up all the time. Rarely, someone dies. Somebody swung a skateboard at him? He could have swung the gun back, but this knucklehead starts shooting. Whatever the outcome, people are dead because of this guys bad decision making.

A 17 year old is not required to engage in fisticuffs with insane adults. He tried to run away, couldn't, and terminated the illegal interference with his person, as allowed by law.

 

[Outlook]

Never said he did. I said he was a wimp for not defending himself without the gun. People get beaten up all the time. Rarely, someone dies. Somebody swung a skateboard at him? He could have swung the gun back, but this knucklehead starts shooting. Whatever the outcome, people are dead because of this guys bad decision making.

One-punch deaths: How lives are devastated by a single blow

How do one-punch deaths happen and can anything be done to stop them?

www.bbc.com

Yea, people get beat up all the time, that is why you shouldn't defend yourself. Rittenhouser should have taken his beating like a man.
Yea a teenager against a 26, 27 and 36 year old criminal along with a mob. Fair fight to me.

Portland man beaten during downtown protest: What a new 32-minute video reveals

The exact events leading up to Sunday night’s brutal attack on Adam Haner have remained murky amid a swirl of video snippets and social media posts. A new video captures the clearest, most comprehensive picture to date.

www.oregonlive.com

Was the fight in Portland fair? That wimp on the street unconscious and bloody probably wished he had a firearm. I wonder what his longer term injuries will be?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Not a valid point. We don't send 17 year olds with bad decision making skills and little to no training into a combat zone.

well......umm.....

In 2004, the Director of Military Personnel Policy for the US Army acknowledged in a letter to Human Rights Watch that nearly 60 17-year old US soldiers had been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and 2004.

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/USA_HRW_NGO_Report_OPAC.pdf

 

[ClaraD]

Yep. I keep referencing George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin for a reason. They are analogous examples. Like Zimmerman, Rittenhouse went looking for trouble, found trouble, and ended up needing to shoot his way out of the situation. Trayvon was literally walking home, minding his business with a bag of skittles, Zimmerman followed him (taking on the role of law enforcement, having no training and no brains), they got into a confrontation (apparently Trayvon kicked his ass), and Zimmerman was backed into needing to defend himself with a gun, because the presence of the gun meant that it could be used against him.

He got off, the right-wing celebrated, as they will when Rittenhouse gets off. Because any limits on right-wingers to patrol the streets with AR-15s, injecting themselves into volatile situations EXPECTING TROUBLE, is an infringement on their rights.

There is no justice.

I am not positive that Rittenhouse is going to get off scott-free. We are almost done with the first day of deliberations....the clock is ticking. I am tending, the later it gets, to think he is not going to be acquitted on all of the charges...he may be acquitted on some of them...I would actually be surprised if they found him guilty on all charges, as is....but I am thinking those lesser charges are going to be a kink in his acquittal....The jury is 7 men, 5 women and one person of color is in that mix...no clue on their views of guns....one person can throw the wrench in everything..

 

[Outlook]

Not a valid point. We don't send 17 year olds with bad decision making skills and little to no training into a combat zone.

There was no question this was a combat zone. The kid made good decisions to protect his life.
There is no question he would have been seriously injured or dead if he didn't defend himself.

 

[ClaraD]

Tell me, as a legal expert, how Mr. Black's purchase of this gun has anything to do with this case?
Let's say Mr. Black purchased the gun for himself and allowed Rittenhouse to use the gun. Rittenhouse at age 17 was allowed to carry a rifle with the longer barrel size. The judge throw out the gun charge without objection from the prosecutor.

Mr. Black will deal with the charges against him at a later date.


GROSSKREUTZ's criminal history states he is a felony offender and has a disqualification for firearms on it. He should also be charged for Felon in Possession of a Firearm.'
Grosskreutz has since had his felony charge expunged.
The jury heard nothing of his repeat firearms violations and the defense was not permitted to raise the fact that his Open Carry license had been suspended because of his criminal activity.

Rittenhouse had no right to carry a gun but Gorsskreutz did.

He purchased the gun used in the crime and the purchase was done with Kyle's money.

Um, Grosskreutz hasn't been charged with or convicted of any felonies...he had a charge that was a misdemeanor for having a weapon while he was intoxicated...but not a felony.

 

[Far right dem]

You say that like it's a bad thing. She is the only Democrat I have any respect for.

It is. Why doesn't she just join the gop?

 

[ClaraD]

Rittenhouse didn't purchase a weapon .. his friend did potentially through straw purchase, he crossed state lines, legally, and he has every right to attend a protest .. just like all the other participants that ended up creating $50+ million in property damage.

So please .. stop with emotional aspect and stick to the truth.

to attend the protest yes...but he doesn't have a right to point his gun at anyone.

 

[ClaraD]

Not talking about residue, talking about stippling. The ME said the stippling Rosenbaum had could not have been more than 4 feet, and the door on his hand means it was 6 inches or less from the barrel.

there is no question that the video shows he was not holding the gun when he was shot. However, the first shot was enough to stop him....yet, he fired 3 more times...the shot that killed Rosenbaum went into his back.

 

[ClaraD]

Yeah, so intimidated they rushed him. Doesn't track with the facts. If he pointed a weapon at them, they should have called the cops. Why did they go full vigilante? Did they think they would be called heroes for beating up a kid? They could have walked away and let the police do their job; instead they took the law into their own hands. Dumb. Darwin award winners shouldn't be whining they got their asses kicked by a 17 year old kid who can't even grow a goatee.

provocation.....he pointed his gun at people...that is provocation.

 

[ClaraD]

I watched the trial. There was no evidence or testimony whatsoever that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at anyone who wasn’t assaulting him.

that picture and video shows differently.

 

[ClaraD]

GSR (trace amounts of gun smoke) is not the same as stippling or powder burns (physical wounds/burns). You quickly switched links (likely) because you became aware of that pesky fact.

I didn't switch links of anything. I provided you two different links showing the same thing. Gun shot residue.....the term isn't gun powder burns.

 

[ClaraD]

Your own link says otherwise.



The maximum distance from the barrel for soot deposits (which I called powder burns) is 30cm (which is under 12 inches) making R being 4 feet away from KR and no longer coming closer as KR shot impossible, as expert witnesses had testified.

that link says gun shot residue can travel 18 feet.

 

[ASHES]

I didn't switch links of anything. I provided you two different links showing the same thing. Gun shot residue.....the term isn't gun powder burns.

GSR is not stippling. The ME didn't talk about GSR, he talked about stippling.

 

[Outlook]

He purchased the gun used in the crime and the purchase was done with Kyle's money.

I thought you were a legal expert. I was wrong. Mr. Black purchasing a gun illegally has nothing to do with the case because Rittenhouse was able to carry the gun purchased by Mr. Black legally.
Let's just say Rittenhouse was 18 but was still unable to purchase a handgun or rifle for legal reasons. Mr. Black purchases a gun or rifle Rittenhouse was unable to possess, then Rittenhouse has a problem as well as Mr. Black.

I would like to see the paperwork for the purchase of the rifle. Did Mr. Black complete the paperwork under his name and Rittenhouse give him the money for the rifle? News accounts show the rifle was in a safe at Black's house until the riots.

 

[ClaraD]

Does Rittenhouse drop the fire extinguisher or gently set it down? The prosecution has stated both as fact.

tell me something...if a person lies, and you know they have lied...because they lied on camera.....not once, but multiple times....do you automatically take their word as gold simply because they are in trouble? Or is it quite likely they are lying to get themselves out of the trouble they have found themselves in? Once a liar, always a liar....if you lie on camera, you will lie under oath.

 

[ASHES]

tell me something...if a person lies, and you know they have lied...because they lied on camera.....not once, but multiple times....do you automatically take their word as gold simply because they are in trouble? Or is it quite likely they are lying to get themselves out of the trouble they have found themselves in? Once a liar, always a liar....if you lie on camera, you will lie under oath.

Prosecution lied. Grosskreutz lied. Do you care?