Are there ANY examples of flagrant homophobia not caused by religion?[W:923]

[CriticalThought]

Each year thousands of men and women with unwanted same-sex attractions make the personal decision to leave homosexuality via secular therapy.

That is a lie. It has been tested. You can continue to proclaim it, but it just demonstrates your sins are no less than any other mans because you are willing to throw away all honesty and decency to put forth your propaganda. I proclaim that you are a liar until you back up your claim.

 

[CriticalThought]

Dr. Chakraborty is a non-partisan researcher - not gay , not a gay activists as in the so called studiesyou clowns like to cite - he is a well respected and unbiased researcher

Cool, let us see what he says about his research.

“Our study confirms earlier work carried out in the UK, USA and Holland which suggests that non-heterosexual people are at higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse and self-harm than heterosexual people.”

He stated that, although the level of discrimination was low, it was still significantly higher than against heterosexual people. This “lends support to the idea that people who feel discriminated against experience social stressors, which in turn increases their risk of experiencing mental health problems,” he says.

These higher levels of psychiatric problems in homosexual people call for greater efforts at preventing the issues arising, Dr. Chakraborty adds.

Higher Risk of Mental Health Problems for Homosexuals | Psych Central

So gays face greater discrimination and thus face greater mental health problems. Seems like your support his research. Good job, you just praised a researcher who completely undermines everything you are arguing in this thread. Good luck digging yourself out of that one.

 

[GreenBean]

The CDC does not say that 95% of new HIV infections are among MSM. Why do you have to lie?

I rechecked my sources and find that yes I did err slightly - The statistics were pertaining to “HIV Surveillance in Adolescents and Young Adults” [1]– breaking down the incidence of HIV among young men ages 13-24. In 2011, an astonishing 94.9 percent of HIV diagnoses among teenage boys (13-19-years-old) were linked to homosexual (“male-to-male”) sex. And 94.1 percent of the cases among young men ages 20-24 were from “gay” sex.

Thanks for pointing this out , even I , in my absolutely astounding wisdom and incredible knowledge make an occasional error. :3oops:

 

[GreenBean]

I just did. I posted the picture of the Ex gay rally which was suppose to attract thousands of ex gays and only ten people showed up. There are no thousands of ex gays. That is a lie folks like yourself tell because you do not know any better.

I've been responding to these posts in reverse chronological order - so this post has already been debunked, but kindly just flounder around a tad more so I can slap you with my fish bat again .

 

[GreenBean]

Dude, heterosexuals do all sorts of "deviant" stuff too... I can't deal with homophobia. It isn't rational and there is no logical cure to make one suffering from it see their unjustified fear and hatred.

Dude - yes they certainly do ! Heterosexuals engage in beastiality, necromance [corpses] and pedophilia, ...pedophilia yes speaking of pedophilia - Did you know that homosexual males molest children at an astoundingly higher rate than heterosexuals do.


Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.

Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

 

[Muhammed]

I made this claim to my girlfriend the other night. She disagrees. She has not looked for sources; I have been unable to find any to falsify my own claim, but that doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I'm looking for a single example of homophobia that cannot be traced to religion.

I'm an atheist.

I think homo dudes are disgusting.

There you go. There's your example.

/thread

 

[GreenBean]

I resorted to race because the conversation is no different. Being black and being gay are similar in that neither of them are a choice. And it's very easy to see bigotry when applied to race. For example, thinking "all those darkies are sneaky thieves who will steal your wife's purse if they don't rape her first" is an overtly racist, bigoted, ignorant statement. There is no arguing that point, no chance in hell of weaseling out of such a label. And this type of speech - hate filled rhetoric borne of ignorance - should be ridiculed and shushed. A person who makes these statements should lose out on job offers to those who do not; their girlfriends should break up with them; their family should distance themselves from them.

It is no different - no different - to casually link homosexuality and relationships to having sex with animals and small children. Pedophilia and bestiality are ready responses to how "unnatural" homosexuality is, even though homosexuality exists in the natural kingdom. Making this link is overtly bigoted and ignorant, and should be ridiculed and shushed.

You disgusting little pervert - don't you dare try to hide you sick and perverted agenda behind the black people who have fought long and hard to attain their justly deserved status . Theirs was a noble struggle - yours is a mental illness masquerading as an oppression

 

[GreenBean]

Yup. the gays are out to get the children.

1. Dawn Fisher, "Adult Sex Offenders: Who are They? Why and How Do They Do It?" in Tony Morrison, - Sexual Offending Against Children

2. Kee MacFarlane, Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment

3. Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984)

4. Bill Watkins and Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry

Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases
Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1." [Freund, "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," p. 107.]

In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases

 

[CriticalThought]

I rechecked my sources and find that yes I did err slightly - The statistics were pertaining to “HIV Surveillance in Adolescents and Young Adults” [1]– breaking down the incidence of HIV among young men ages 13-24. In 2011, an astonishing 94.9 percent of HIV diagnoses among teenage boys (13-19-years-old) were linked to homosexual (“male-to-male”) sex. And 94.1 percent of the cases among young men ages 20-24 were from “gay” sex.

Thanks for pointing this out , even I , in my absolutely astounding wisdom and incredible knowledge make an occasional error. :3oops:

Something else you would have found out had you studied that information a bit more.

A CDC analysis of date from 13 YRBS [Youth Risk Behavior Survey] sites found that sexual minority students, especially those who identified as homosexual or bisexual, were disproportionately likely to engage in many health risk behaviors, including sexual risk behaviors (such as having sexual intercourse for the first time at younger ages, having multiple sex partners, and not using condoms); tobacco, alcohol, and other drug use; and behaviors related to attempted suicide.”

The parts in bold are especially pertinent to the spread of HIV among the young gay community. Hence why there are efforts in some schools to educate youngsters into using condoms and safer sex practices, or what you call "sexual indoctrination into homosexuality".

 

[chromium]

It is certainly less harmful than many other conditions out there, but I still think it can be said to cause some degree of harm.

Should leave that to gay people to determine. I don't find it to be harmful or hear others complain of it.

Again, I have to imagine that "reach arounds" and the like exist for a reason. I doubt that very many people are enthusiastic about receptive anal sex alone.

Truly. It grosses you out, so you can't imagine. That's understandable. But there are thousands of nerve endings back there and the prostate stimulation can lead to a very intense orgasm.

Really, no one will do this unless it's enjoyable.

 

[CriticalThought]

Dude - yes they certainly do ! Heterosexuals engage in beastiality, necromance [corpses] and pedophilia, ...pedophilia yes speaking of pedophilia - Did you know that homosexual males molest children at an astoundingly higher rate than heterosexuals do.


Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.

Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

If you define "homosexual" as any case where an adult male molests a male child, then that would be the case, but given the vast majority of those adult males who molest boys are sexually attracted to women or have no adult sexual orientation, it is kind of ridiculous to define them as "homosexual" because they are attracted predominately to the age of the child, not the gender.

 

[CriticalThought]

You disgusting little pervert - don't you dare try to hide you sick and perverted agenda behind the black people who have fought long and hard to attain their justly deserved status . Theirs was a noble struggle - yours is a mental illness masquerading as an oppression

Full disclosure: I am a gay man in a committed relationship. Feel free to get your personal insults against me out of the way so that we can debate the facts.

 

[chromium]

Safe sex ed, does not
1. Teaching normal heterosexual kids how to Fistf*uck
2. Suggesting they use saran wrap if they can't get a condom
3. Discussions about the "Caloric count of Cum"
4. Warnings not to tell their parents

ALL UNSOLICITED

Gay Agenda in Public Schools

Problem with your fantastical 'gay agenda' is you assume all gay people favor the same tactics. I don't know if that event actually occurred. That website you link to considers it all the same though: "This pathetic performance involved assaulting students with descriptions and unsolicited advice regarding safe homosexual sex acts"

As i said, gay kids need sex ed too.

IF they actually taught 8th graders about fisting then that is inappropriate. But to you it's probably all the same. No telling them to use condoms that might save their lives. Your "abstinence only" and "just don't be gay" crap is the real killer here.

 

[CriticalThought]

1. Dawn Fisher, "Adult Sex Offenders: Who are They? Why and How Do They Do It?" in Tony Morrison, - Sexual Offending Against Children

2. Kee MacFarlane, Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment

3. Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984)

4. Bill Watkins and Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry

Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases
Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1." [Freund, "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," p. 107.]

In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases

As has already been stated, if you define "homosexual" as any case where an adult male molests a boy, then that would be the case. But heterosexual men can and do molest boys.

 

[CLAX1911]

Already been done - scroll back a tad sweety.

Lies. No such link was posted regarding studies proving homosexuality to be a mental disorder.

Tearing your case to shreds is easy. I have done it with every post I made. Likely why you don't ever rebut.

 

[Gathomas88]

Truly. It grosses you out, so you can't imagine. That's understandable. But there are thousands of nerve endings back there and the prostate stimulation can lead to a very intense orgasm.

Really, no one will do this unless it's enjoyable.

I'll have to take your word on it.

However, I would point out that some people seem to genuinely "enjoy" some rather gnarly tattoo sessions, piercings, and even hanging off of ceilings by meat hooks. I wouldn't say that it necessarily makes any of those acts "natural."

Anal sex is always going to be more than a bit more dangerous and painful than the vaginal variety for the simple reason that the anus was never really meant to be penetrated. The amount of "pleasure" involved is in many cases debatable as well.

According to some studies only like 5% of women who have tried anal sex reported finding the experience pleasurable at all, let alone "very" pleasurable.

Men might be a little better off in this regard due to the prostate, but I still kind of doubt that it is the kind of the thing that a majority of men could get off on under normal circumstances.

 

[chromium]

Anal sex is always going to be more than a bit dangerous and painful than the vaginal variety for the simple reason that the anus was never really meant to be penetrated. The amount of "pleasure" involved is in many cases debatable as well.

According to some studies only like 5% of women who have tried anal sex reported finding the experience pleasurable at all, let alone "very" pleasurable.

Men might be a little better off in this regard due to the prostate, but I still kind of doubt that it is the kind of the thing that a majority of men could get off on under normal circumstances.

None of that is relevant to gay males. The physical and emotional attraction comes first, then you look at options to meet those needs. ***** just doesn't enter the equation.

Although, i did find the idea repulsive at first too, due to cultural conditioning being drilled into me that it was "nasty" "perverse" etc. Even touching guys aside from sports was taboo...but in time, those hangups fade away.

 

[CriticalThought]

Lies. No such link was posted regarding studies proving homosexuality to be a mental disorder.

Tearing your case to shreds is easy. I have done it with every post I made. Likely why you don't ever rebut.

I don't know why but we seem get these folks from Theology Online who amass anti gay propaganda and then decide to come here and try to pass it off as debate worthy. The moment you rebuke it, they start ignoring you or proclaiming they have already won. They also have no problem using derogatory words like "homos" and "perverrts" which makes it even more evident that they migrated to this forum purely with the agenda of passing off propaganda and selling a story of gays as diseased, child molesting, Nazis bent on destroying the moral fabric of society. They eventually go away once it becomes apparent that nobody buys their bull or will tolerate it when they become abusive towards other posters.

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't know why but we seem get these folks from Theology Online who amass anti gay propaganda and then decide to come here and try to pass it off as debate worthy. The moment you rebuke it, they start ignoring you or proclaiming they have already won. They also have no problem using derogatory words like "homos" and "perverrts" which makes it even more evident that they migrated to this forum purely with the agenda of passing off propaganda and selling a story of gays as diseased, child molesting, Nazis bent on destroying the moral fabric of society. They eventually go away once it becomes apparent that nobody buys their bull or will tolerate it when they become abusive towards other posters.

I love modern times where truth can't be so easily hidden. Information is out there for the taking and for free to boot. It's like these dweebs think we are all a bunch of computer illiterate apes.

It's fun though, like a cat playing with a mouse.

Btw, I read that link forum the monogamy thread. It opened a few thoughts I never addressed before, thanks, great link.

 

[VanceMack]

I voted for Romney in the last election. The only Democrat I voted for was Carl Levin, which I am not going to do again. Every non-national race got a libertarian vote from me.

Tell me why homosexuality is wrong without citing a religious source.

Go back and reread my original post in this thread. I cited several.

 

[Gathomas88]

None of that is relevant to gay males. The physical and emotional attraction comes first, then you look at options to meet those needs. ***** just doesn't enter the equation.

Although, i did find the idea repulsive at first too, due to cultural conditioning being drilled into me that it was "nasty" "perverse" etc. Even touching guys aside from sports was taboo...but in time, those hangups fade away.

I suppose you make due with what you've got available. :shrug:

Like I said, I'm sure at least one side of the equation is enjoying it either way regardless. Even if the other person doesn't particularly enjoy the act, they might very well view their partner's enjoyment as being a reason enough to keep at it anyway.

I've heard of some women like that. They don't enjoy anal, but their husband / significant other does, so they do it anyway on occasion basically just because they know it's what he likes.

 

[CLAX1911]

I suppose you make due with what you've got available. :shrug:

Like I said, I'm sure at least one side of the equation is enjoying it either way regardless. Even if the other person doesn't particularly enjoy the act, they might very well view their partner's enjoyment as being a reason enough to keep at it anyway.

I've heard of some women like that. They don't enjoy anal, but their husband / significant other does, so they do it anyway on occasion basically just because they know it's what he likes.

I have heard of women not enjoying vaginal sex even feeling pain during it. That certainly doesn't mean it's unnatural. That is a very poor indicator that something is unnatural.

 

[Gathomas88]

I have heard of women not enjoying vaginal sex even feeling pain during it. That certainly doesn't mean it's unnatural. That is a very poor indicator that something is unnatural.

Vaginal sex is only painful or dangerous if something is wrong. Anal is pretty much always going to be a bit painful either way regardless, and it will always carry certain risks.

Simply looking at the "tale of the tape" here, the vagina is self-lubricating, naturally inclined to stretch a great deal, and expands before intercourse of its own accord as an involuntary result of arousal. The anus simply does not.

You either have to deliberately go out of your way to loosen the thing through manual manipulation, or simply have so much anal sex that the muscles are permanently stretched and loosened, in order to even make anal sex possible without injury. Frankly, even then, some form of artificial lubrication is usually required.

You guys can do whatever you want. It's no skin off my nose. I'm just saying that the evidence here really doesn't support the conclusion that our bodies evolved with the idea of anal intercourse in mind.

 

[CriticalThought]

Anal is pretty much always going to be a bit painful either way regardless, and it will always carry certain risks.

You speaking from experience? Anal sex can be completely painless. And if done with a committed, clean partner, there are virtually no risks.

 

[Gathomas88]

You speaking from experience? Anal sex can be completely painless. And if done with a committed, clean partner, there are virtually no risks.

If anal sex is ever "completely painless" you've either permanently stretched your sphincter out of shape, or you are using some world class lube.

Some studies have linked frequent anal sex to incontinence, anal fissures, and even an increased risk of certain cancers.

Straight Dope - Anal Sex

Again, it's ultimately your risk to take. I won't lay judgment either way. However, trying to deny that these risks exist at all is simply foolish.