Are the Democrats Becoming the Party of Unreason?

[Linc]

What makes you say that? Even Menendez wasn't buying what Kerry was selling.

Try the transcripts again Jack.
And you should be proud of the Democrat Menendez for putting Country first, as you've just said.
The difference is that Menendez showed class and professionalism--the three stooges, not so much .

 

[Linc]

So instead of dealing with what I said, you divert to your continued slams on Boxer.
Noted and dismissed as the ultra-hackery it is TD, as you say to me.

Boxer's an aging princess whose husband bought her a senate seat to get her off of his ass

Boxer boxed Corker every way but loose.
He's another endangered species in 2016, with 23 other GOP senators .

 

[Jack Hays]

Try the transcripts again Jack.
And you should be proud of the Democrat Menendez for putting Country first, as you've just said.
The difference is that Menendez showed class and professionalism--the three stooges, not so much .

Sorry, but your partisan hackery is showing. The administration has established a track record of inconsistency (Remember the red line?) and now presents an incoherent policy direction. Try comparing the words of BHO, General Dempsey and Kerry. The administration has sadly earned everything Kerry got. Menendez had to strain not to join the attackers; as it was he could not take Kerry's side.

 

[Linc]

Sorry, but your partisan hackery is showing.

Were you looking in the mirror when you just said that Jack? eace

The administration has established a track record of inconsistency

Noted and dismissed for the partisan hackery yer showing. eace

(Remember the red line?

You mean the one Gen. McCain helped draw? :lamo

and now presents an incoherent policy direction.

Corker is butthurt because Kerry wouldn't give up secret intel in public--do you support Corker on that?

Try comparing the words of BHO, General Dempsey and Kerry.

Healthy discussions in public to GOPs, the press and the enemy are good.
You still don't get to know what BHO does until AFTER he does it.
It only took BHO six years to learn this.

The administration has sadly earned everything Kerry got.

The Nation doesn't deserve these incorrect partisan cheap shots on foreign policy in front of ISIL and al Qaeda.
Corker is still pissed Obama wouldn't give him secret intel in private--as is Rubio and McLame.

Menendez had to strain not to join the attackers; as it was he could not take Kerry's side.

Menendez was professional--but he doesn't get to know either--the Senate has proven they can't be trusted with secret intel.
As in the past, GOPs then ran to FOX with secret intel and cut the President off at the knees .

 

[Unrepresented]

This whole thread is unreason.

 

[Jack Hays]

Were you looking in the mirror when you just said that Jack? eace


Noted and dismissed for the partisan hackery yer showing. eace

You mean the one Gen. McCain helped draw? :lamo

Corker is butthurt because Kerry wouldn't give up secret intel in public--do you support Corker on that?

Healthy discussions in public to GOPs, the press and the enemy are good.
You still don't get to know what BHO does until AFTER he does it.
It only took BHO six years to learn this.

The Nation doesn't deserve these incorrect partisan cheap shots on foreign policy in front of ISIL and al Qaeda.
Corker is still pissed Obama wouldn't give him secret intel in private--as is Rubio and McLame.

Menendez was professional--but he doesn't get to know either--the Senate has proven they can't be trusted with secret intel.
As in the past, GOPs then ran to FOX with secret intel and cut the President off at the knees .

McCain did indeed advocate the Red Line. BHO alone erased it.

As for the rest, nonsense. I won't comment on intel questions. As you know, I have advocated strong action since 2012 and I thought the withdrawal from Iraq was a mistake. I am predisposed to support BHO on this. However, the rollout has been so haphazard it has invited doubts and questions, even from Dems.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

JEFF BERGNER

FFS, last week it was Bill Kristol, this week it's a PNAC signatory.

It is one thing hold to some of their views, it is something else to be a devotee.

Next week: "How to be a President and Create a Democracy in Other Lands", by Dick Cheney.

 

[US Conservative]

However, both parities are as unreasonable as the other.

Equivocation is another common defense.

 

[Linc]

Who will take over the false-equivalency mantra of Eric Cantor?

Equivocation is another common defense.

And how do you think the Kansas Supreme Court will rule tomorrow ?

 

[Linc]

McCain did indeed advocate the Red Line. BHO alone erased it.

Jack, You seem to forget that Congress refused to back the President on bombing Syria--or did you?

Mr. Obama isn't making that mistake this time trusting Congress--
therefore we see Congress step in line and vote to support Obama just before an election today .

As for the rest, nonsense. I won't comment on intel questions. As you know, I have advocated strong action since 2012 and I thought the withdrawal from Iraq was a mistake. I am predisposed to support BHO on this. However, the rollout has been so haphazard it has invited doubts and questions, even from Dems.

Everything I said can be easily verified--which is why you dismiss it as nonsense .

 

[Kurmugeon]

Not a very well written piece in my opinion. However, both parities are as unreasonable as the other.

No, no, no! The two parties are NOT equally unreasonable.

Nor are the two parties equally abusive of official powers used in political reprisals. ( IRS, DOJ ...etc)

Nor are the two parties equal in placing their camps "Radicals" of political viewpiont into positions of high office ( Andy Van Jones, Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, John Holdren, Charles Bolden...)

Nor are the two parties equal in using voter fraud to steal elections!



Yes, it IS true that are some instances of Republican scientific closed mindedness, but the Republican Party has been under scrutiny and criticism for it for long enough, that they've self-policed and removed the party's most extreme cases long ago.

Yes, it IS true that some Republicans have abused official power in political reprisals, but Republican Party has been under scritinty and criticism for it long enough, that they've self-policed the party's most extreme cases long ago.

Yes, is IS true that some "Radicals" of political viewpoint have been given Republican positions of power, but Republican Party has been under scritinty and criticism for it long enough, that they've self-policed the party's most extreme cases long ago.

Yes, it IS true that there have been a few cases of Voter Fraud, but Republican Party has been under scritinty and criticism for it long enough, that they've self-policed the party's most extreme cases long ago.


See the pattern?!

Because the Republican Party does NOT have the aid of the MSM and the bias courts, they have been forced to clean up their party, on a continuous basis for decades.

But the Democratic Party has NOT had to do the same. The Democratic Party allows their members caught committing these crimes to keep right on doing so!

And what we have today, is two parties which both exhibit these bad qualities, but not any where near the same level of occurrence, blatant, open commission (and sometime Shouted Pride in bad / Illegal behavior), or virulence of the acts committed.






It is kinda like making the statement, "both Flower-Spiders and Tarantulas are BIG, "Hairy" Arachnids."

Technically, if inspected with a micro-scope, its turns out to be true.

But from a pragmatic sense, it is NOT True at all!

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[Jack Hays]

Jack, You seem to forget that Congress refused to back the President on bombing Syria--or did you?

Mr. Obama isn't making that mistake this time trusting Congress--
therefore we see Congress step in line and vote to support Obama just before an election today .


Everything I said can be easily verified--which is why you dismiss it as nonsense .

Congress declined to go along after BHO made it clear he really did not want to proceed. He could have done then what he says he's doing now. Regardless, your assertion was about McCain, not Congress, and McCain never wavered. And no, your claims can't be verified.

 

[Jack Hays]

FFS, last week it was Bill Kristol, this week it's a PNAC signatory.

It is one thing hold to some of their views, it is something else to be a devotee.

Next week: "How to be a President and Create a Democracy in Other Lands", by Dick Cheney.

It is the tribal fashion of interaction to place more emphasis on who speaks than on what is said.

 

[Anomalism]

The problem is that you liberal global-warming nuts predicted a hockey-stick of worsening catastrophe. You predicted that if the North Pole melted one summer, it would melt every summer thereafter in an ever worsening geometric non-linearity leading to thirty-foot sea-level rises. On both poles, ice is thickening and that goes not only against the "hockey-stick" theory, but also against the trend and against the direction of the trend. Even one-year of ice-thickening is a triple failure of global-warming theory. But, we not only have one-year, but now two! How embarrassing for you whack-jobs?

What did Einstein say to call a theory that failed to meet prediction? He said there was only one name to call it - "WRONG."

If you cannot see that the trend is still downward and that climate change is still a problem then I really don't know what to say to you. A year of decent ice growth is not proof that global warming was a farce. The ice grows a little and you guys set up graphs with two data points and spread disinformation all over the place claiming global warming has been debunked. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are really that ignorant or if you're trying not to believe.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It is the tribal fashion of interaction to place more emphasis on who speaks than on what is said.

It is the height of ignorance to believe that bias plays no part neoconservtive polemics. What is said is completely tainted by where it comes from, understanding what the perspective is is essential to a reading.

But the bigger point is that what I wrote was emphasizing that the OP is just a reflection of the bias of the poster, a neocon posting neocon nonsense.

 

[TeleKat]

Could it be that the Democrats have become the irrational, anti-science party?


The Party of Reason?

It’s not the Democrats, despite their self-flattering claims
BY JEFF BERGNER
It has become a staple of the political left to brand Republicans the anti-science, anti-reason party. This narrative congealed in a breathless 2005 book by journalist Chris Mooney entitled—does the phrase sound familiar?—The Republican War on Science. Those fueling the narrative today seize on occasional unfortunate remarks about rape or evolution by Republican fringe figures, as well as on the skepticism of many Republicans about man-made global warming, to make their case.

Thomas Fluharty

The narrative, however, also taps into a deeper and more sinister view of conservatives that dates back at least to Richard Hofstadter’s 1964 article “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.” Hofstadter painted conservatives as conspiracy-minded, change-resistant authoritarians fearful of the liberating power of knowledge and unable to entertain a world in which many answers are provisional and not absolute.
It takes no talent to cherry-pick examples of ignorance from either Republicans or Democrats. More worthwhile is a systematic look at some major fault lines between the two political parties. Let’s consider four significant domestic policy areas where Democrats and Republicans differ—the economy, energy, global warming, and abortion—and see which party can fairly lay claim to being the party of reason.
We will see a pattern. In each case, Democratic thinking will unfold in three stages: (1) Policy is predicated on reality as one wishes it to be, not as it is. (2) That policy fails. And (3) its advocates explain the failure by demonizing their opponents. The demonization of political opponents to cover policy failures is an all too reliable indicator that the policies rest on unsound, anti-scientific, irrational foundations. . . .

Pretty sure the GOP has already claimed that title.

The Democrats are awful but, then again, so are the Republicans. Both parties are corporatist, warmongers with no respect for their constituents. :shrug:

But perhaps, in the midst of your partisan hackery, you declined to notice such a phenomenon.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Pretty sure the GOP has already claimed that title.

The Democrats are awful but, then again, so are the Republicans. Both parties are corporatist, warmongers with no respect for their constituents. :shrug:

But perhaps, in the midst of your partisan hackery, you declined to notice such a phenomenon.

This:



Is a Big Hairy Arachnid!


This:



Is NOT a big, hairy Arachnid!


If you don't get it... read post #36.

 

[Jack Hays]

Pretty sure the GOP has already claimed that title.

The Democrats are awful but, then again, so are the Republicans. Both parties are corporatist, warmongers with no respect for their constituents. :shrug:

But perhaps, in the midst of your partisan hackery, you declined to notice such a phenomenon.

Please point out where I exempted the Repubs. You cannot because I did not. There's a reason I left the Repubs. The fact that I find the Dems even more repulsive doesn't change that.

 

[Ditto]

As the self-proclaimed brilliance of leftist policies fail one-by-one, liberal irrationality is becoming clear for all to see.

The ice-caps are growing, the globe cycling cooler and the oceans as stable as they have been throughout recorded history. Liberal's who once pointed accusatory "intellectual" fingers at conservative's, now have much to explain?

Hahahahhaha the ice caps are growing? Any respected scientist would tell you to be quiet.

 

[Kurmugeon]

Hahahahhaha the ice caps are growing? Any respected scientist would tell you to be quiet.

As an RF engineer and Scientist who worked for decades at several of our National Labs, among other tasks, I helped design an Ice Penetrating RADAR system to be placed on a Geo-monitoring satellite, which was launched six years ago, and is even now collecting data on the polar ice caps.

The system was made to be able to monitor the surface area, and within some limits, detect the thickness, of the ice sheets on the polar caps.

For seventeen years now, and particularly for the last six years that we have been getting much better data, all indications are that the overall polar ice caps are growing at a reasonable rate, which fits the models of fluctuation expected by solar magnetic storm variations causing changes in the blue-UV end of the Black Body spectrum emitted by Sol, and the subsequent changes in Earth's absorption caused by Atmospheric Nitrogen Rayleigh Scattering (NOT CO2 green house IR capture!) to a remarkable degree of accuracy for the limited time frame of data we've been able to collect.

In 200-300 years, we'll actually have enough data to make a meaningful evaluation.

That's what the majority of respected scientists will tell you on the subject.

You've either been lied to, or you're lying now.

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[Cephus]

Not a very well written piece in my opinion. However, both parities are as unreasonable as the other.

I agree with you. As things have become polarized in Washington, it's more about toeing the party line and vehemently opposing the other guys than in making good decisions for the good of the nation. Nobody cares what gets done, so long as the other guys don't get their way. That's why things are such a mess, nobody will compromise, the capitol is in total ideological gridlock.