Vandeervecken
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Navy Pride said:Take the time to go back and read this thread..I gave you my reason for being anti gay marriage and they are not for the reasons you mentioned.......
I think that they were both born gay, but the second did not realize it until he was 15 and found out he was not attracted to females.
Duke said:You think that "born gay" is merely an "assumption"? No. It is science, and logic.
You say you were not born gay our straight? When did you decide to become gay/straight?
Duke
Duke said:Got any good facts, or science, supporting that, or do you just say that because it goes well with your religion?
Duke
Duke said:But you do admit that your argument against freedom of marriage stems from your religion, right?
Duke
Stace said:1) Well, that's the opinion of the person you know. My husband and I are both liberals, and our marriage is quite "sacred" to us. Neither of us are religious, we weren't married in a church, and yet, our marriage is a lot more than just a legal contract to us.
Please don't make blanket statements when you can't really back it up with anything mroe than what one person you know said.
2) There are also lots of people that aren't atheists, but also aren't Christians. I'd guess that there is at least one study out there that accounts for the differences in numbers and adjusts accordingly.
3) Do you have any sources to back up your assertion? Because right now, that's just your opinion, and my opinion is vastly different. Every person I know that has been married, very few of those that were married in a religious/church ceremony are still together. Those of us that aren't religious and subsequently did not have a church ceremony, are all still together with no sign of divorce in the near future.
Duke said:You think that "born gay" is merely an "assumption"? No. It is science, and logic.
You say you were not born gay our straight? When did you decide to become gay/straight?
Duke
aquapub said:2) This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand. But as I pointed out before, the vast majority of people-including agnostics-beleive there is SOME kind of higher power, which would definitely put them more towards the Christian category than the Atheist category. And I think doing studies on Agnostics would be harder than people think because, unlike the other two, there is a huge variation from Agnostic to Agnostic about why they are Agnostic. It makes studies on them less reliable.
Navy Pride said:Not at all, although I am a God fearing person it has very little to do with it....
DeeJayH said:There are more than 1 billion Agnostics?
if memory serves, that is how many catholics there are
How many Hindus?
how many Muslims?
how many non-catholic christians?
seems like we are coming up on 6 billion pretty quick
4 largest group hereDuke said:There are 1.1 billion non-religious people. Look it up.
Duke
Duke said:
aquapbu said:This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand.
dookey said:There are 1.1 billion non-religious people. Look it up.
DeeJayH said:she said
he said
agnostics are a subset of the Non-religious
just thought you might want to know
so Agnostics are Less than 1.1 billion
so they are no bigger than 3rd or 4th largest depending on how many of the -non-religious are agnostics
Duke said:Correct me if I am wrong, Aquapub I think that Aquapub meant non-religous by agnostic. I have heard that generalization often.
Duke
DeeJayH said:i dont know the broad, but i have seen enough of her posts to give her more credit than you do
i think she knows the difference between agnostics, atheists, and non-religious
if not, thanks for wasting so much of my time aqua :lol: :2wave:
aquapub said:1) Here's a blanket statement I can qualify by using this post: Liberals can't read. I didn't say my opinion was BASED on that person. I said that their comment represented my experience with liberals on this.
Please don't make invalid criticisms based on nothing but emotional defensiveness.
2) This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand. But as I pointed out before, the vast majority of people-including agnostics-beleive there is SOME kind of higher power, which would definitely put them more towards the Christian category than the Atheist category. And I think doing studies on Agnostics would be harder than people think because, unlike the other two, there is a huge variation from Agnostic to Agnostic about why they are Agnostic. It makes studies on them less reliable.
3) Everywhere I looked, there was a recurring theme: Christians are no more immune to divorce, but the vast majority of the ones who get divorced are also born again. Those who usually have great turbulence in their lives and flee to Christianity to fix their problems, only to leave the church shortly after that are who make up most of the religious divorces. Regular, real religious people seem to have nowhere near the problem with divorce that secular people have. This may explain our widely different experiences.
http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rreligion.html
http://www.divorcereform.org/cor.html#anchor613698
Something I did not expect to find that was shocking to me (which can be found by following that second link) was this:
Cohabitation Data:
There is a higher risk, 40 to 85%, of divorce between couples cohabiting before marriage than couples waiting until after marriage to share a home together. (Bumpass & Sweet 1995; Hall & Zhao 1995; Bracher, Stantow, Morgan & Russell 1993; DeMaris & Rao 1992 and Glen 1990) Cited in a posting on the Smart Marriages Listserv, Sep 28, 2004.
Mickyjaystoned said:Sex is natural, it is a need all people share.
It does not matter what or who you do it with, as long as it feels right.
Stop the gay bashing and get laid yourselves.
You might like a bit of bum fun.
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