The ProLifer who did that doesn't represent the Republican Party, Congress or you or me. And neither does the Susan Komen Foundation.
SheWolf, I can see you're very passionate about this, and I don't think I'm going to change your mind. In this case, on this topic, I'm just going to agree that we disagree.
Aggregate tax reven ue has jack and **** to do with what individuals pay.
Nominal rates in fact directly influence how much each person pays.
Yes in fact it is that no one will say. PolitiFact | Obama says Republicans in Congress won't name one tax exemption they want to repeal
now this is funny right here, and precisely why politifact has the reputation it does (not a compliment). from their own citation:
Wallace: "All right. I understand, this is not your committee, it's the Ways and Means Committee. Can you tell me any (tax exemptions) that you're willing to say, do away with it?"
Ryan: "What I would say on doing away with it, is who would we do away with it for. And what we're saying is the people who disproportionately use those, it's the top two tax rate payers use almost of those tax expenditures. We would limit these things to those higher income earners."
Wallace: "Even things like the deduction for health insurance and pensions and home mortgage?"
Ryan: "Yes, right. Instead of giving these write-offs to the people in the top tax bracket, take those tax shelters away.
Due to the way the nominal rate change is designed, it is almost impossible that lower and middle class people, some of them, maybe lots of them, will end up paying more
some individuals probably will, just as some wealthy individuals probably will end up paying less. some poor and middle class individuals will end up paying less, just as some wealthy individuals will end up paying more. is your argument a complaint that it is impossible to craft an individual tax policy for each American household?
while many if not most wealthy people will pay less. In point of fact, it is designed that way. FactCheck.org : Does House Budget Plan Cut Taxes or Not?
:doh yes. when you count only nominal decreases without counting offsetting credit deductions, you get a score of decreased effective rates. in other news, when you only count the games in which the person playing the red checkers wins, the person playing black checkers always loses.
Wait, so now Ryan's plan raises revenue?
no - that he was raising taxes on people was your claim. my point was simply that if you want to increase revenue, then currently our relatively undertaxed cohort is not our upper, but rather our middle income earners.
Huh? That is bull****.
Feel Free To Check Them.
citing from their tax section:
...Tax reform should lower tax rates, reduce the deficit, simplify the tax code, reduce the tax gap, and make America the best place to start a business and create jobs. Rather than tinker around the edges of the existing tax code, the Commission proposes fundamental and comprehensive tax reform that achieves these basic goals:
Lower rates, broaden the base, and cut spending in the tax code. The current tax code is riddled with $1.1 trillion of tax expenditures: backdoor spending hidden in the tax code. Tax reform must reduce the size and number of these tax expenditures and lower marginal tax rates for individuals and corporations – thereby simplifying the code, improving fairness, reducing the tax gap, and spurring economic growth. Simplifying the code will dramatically reduce the cost and burden of tax preparation and compliance for individuals and corporations.
Reduce the deficit. To escape our nation’s crushing debt and deficit problem, we must have shared sacrifice – and that means a portion of the savings from cutting tax expenditures must be dedicated to deficit reduction. At the same time, revenue cannot constantly increase as a share of the economy. Deficit reduction from tax reform will be companied by deficit reduction from spending cuts—which will come first. Under our plan, revenue reaches 21 percent of GDP by 2022 and is then capped at that level.
Maintain or increase progressivity of the tax code. Though reducing the deficit will require shared sacrifice, those of us who are best off will need to contribute the most. Tax reform must continue to protect those who are most vulnerable, and eliminate tax loopholes favoring those who need help least....
they made three basic rate recommendations:
(eliminate all deductions): 8%, 14%, 23%
(Child Tax Credit and EITC): 9%, 15%, 24%
(Child Credit, EITC, Mortgage Interest, Employer-Provided Health Insurance, Charitable Giving, Retirement Savings): 12%, 22%, 28%
Which, they figured, would increase revenue by over a Trillion dollars over a decade. Not bad in a days work. Not too terribly hard for me to conceive, given that, a number of ways that you could drop to 10 and 15% while not producing an additional revenue of $1 Trillion, but rather keeping it revenue neutral by cutting out deductions and credits. Probably Ryan's suggestion of "no deductions or credits for those over $250K a year" alone would be just about if not sufficient.
except, of course, for the fact that they are directly related - given that "what individuals pay" add up to "aggregate revenue"
no. effective tax rates are what people pay. nominal tax rates have as much influence as any individual deduction they rate, the number of kids they have, etc.
now this is funny right here, and precisely why politifact has the reputation it does (not a compliment). from their own citation:
Wallace: "All right. I understand, this is not your committee, it's the Ways and Means Committee. Can you tell me any (tax exemptions) that you're willing to say, do away with it?"
Ryan: "What I would say on doing away with it, is who would we do away with it for. And what we're saying is the people who disproportionately use those, it's the top two tax rate payers use almost of those tax expenditures. We would limit these things to those higher income earners."
Wallace: "Even things like the deduction for health insurance and pensions and home mortgage?"
Ryan: "Yes, right. Instead of giving these write-offs to the people in the top tax bracket, take those tax shelters away.
some individuals probably will, just as some wealthy individuals probably will end up paying less. some poor and middle class individuals will end up paying less, just as some wealthy individuals will end up paying more. is your argument a complaint that it is impossible to craft an individual tax policy for each American household?
:doh yes. when you count only nominal decreases without counting offsetting credit deductions, you get a score of decreased effective rates. in other news, when you only count the games in which the person playing the red checkers wins, the person playing black checkers always loses.
no - that he was raising taxes on people was your claim. my point was simply that if you want to increase revenue, then currently our relatively undertaxed cohort is not our upper, but rather our middle income earners.
Feel Free To Check Them.
citing from their tax section:
they made three basic rate recommendations:
(eliminate all deductions): 8%, 14%, 23%
(Child Tax Credit and EITC): 9%, 15%, 24%
(Child Credit, EITC, Mortgage Interest, Employer-Provided Health Insurance, Charitable Giving, Retirement Savings): 12%, 22%, 28%
Which, they figured, would increase revenue by over a Trillion dollars over a decade. Not bad in a days work. Not too terribly hard for me to conceive, given that, a number of ways that you could drop to 10 and 15% while not producing an additional revenue of $1 Trillion, but rather keeping it revenue neutral by cutting out deductions and credits. Probably Ryan's suggestion of "no deductions or credits for those over $250K a year" alone would be just about if not sufficient.
People who do not understand the meaning of words are not people whose opinion we shoud care about.
Respecfully, SheWolf, there are lots of people in this country who think abortion is murder. (I'm not one of them.) They are entitled to their opinions, just like ProChoicers are entitled to theirs. Abortions are legal. They're going to continue to be legal. But that doesn't mean that those people who don't believe they should be legal should be forced to fund organizations that provide them with their tax dollars.
Pointing out flaws in your argument is vile?
No, did not say that. Nice try.
Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot," a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance and animosity toward members of a group"
So no on bigotry.
Prejudice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Prejudice (or foredeeming) The word prejudice is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of race, social class, ethnicity, age, disability, obesity, religion, sexual orientation, or other personal characteristics. It also means beliefs without knowledge of the facts[SUP][1][/SUP] and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence.""
So yes on prejudice towards his grandmother. Much more tenuous towardfs Obama himself and requires knowledge we do not have.
So based on the meaning of words, you where wrong. Thank you for clarifying that. Obama did not in fact call white people racists.
People who do not understand the meaning of words are not people whose opinion we shoud care about.
So you're telling me no Conservatives actually want to shut down PP? Do you have evidence of that?
People who do not understand the meaning of words are not people whose opinion we shoud care about.
Wow... So nasty..... :lol:
Well, I'm glad somebody understood what she said. I had no idea what Redress was talking about. (Still don't.)
well. that just proves that you are a stupid dummy, and the rest of us can ignore you because you are such a stupid dummy.
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Good point. For example, there are people out there who believe that nominal rate changes are the same thing as tax hikes or cuts - thereby demonstrating that they do not understand the meaning of the word "nominal" v, say, "effective". Clearly such people can be safely ignored, and, probably, frankly, shouldn't be allowed to vote.
CPwill is having difficulty understanding posts and has a talent for pulling strawmans out his ass. But if you don't care about my opinion, it doesn't hurt my feelings either.
well. that just proves that you are a stupid dummy, and the rest of us can ignore you because you are such a stupid dummy.
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No more or less than people who think war is destructive should be forced to fund the gigantic military complex or foreign invasions with their tax dollar. If everyone get to decide what every cent of their tax dollar will or will not fund, many of the things essential to the country wouldn't get funded.
he only pretends not to see the equivalency of shutting down planned parenthood and de-funding it
otherwise, he would be without an argument
stick a fork in him; he's done on that issue
I detect here a mental age of 15 at best.
As to Redress, I see a much, much higher "mental age"...his words are "over the top" of the grasp of many.
I think the only rate that matters is the effective tax rate. Can't imagine how any other descriptor can accurately depict what one pays in taxes.
Example: Let's say one party wants to raise the top tax rate to 98%. Sounds confiscatory!!! But wait!! They also allow a 100% deduction for all earned income. The effective tax rate on a CEO who earns $1.2 million on his W-2 (and has no other income) would be exactly zero.
I can't even find a definition for "nominal tax rate." There are lots of ways to describe tax rates. I don't think "nominal" is one of them.
Yuo get it. According to Redress rules, you are now allowed to stay in the thread.
She, sadly, must leave.
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