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Appeals court denies Michael Flynn and Justice Department's effort to end his case

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8-2...hmmm... not even close... Not really a surprise.. What the DOJ was essentially asking is for the courts to be subservient to the DOJ...


A federal appeals court ruled Monday against Michael Flynn and the Justice Department in their request to quickly shut down his criminal case.

The 8-2 decision restores power to a judge to question the Justice Department's moves in the politically divisive case, when Attorney General William Barr dropped charges against President Donald Trump's former national security adviser earlier this year despite twice pleading guilty to lying under oath to lying to the FBI.
Flynn had fought District Judge Emmet Sullivan's decision to ask a third-party lawyer to argue against the Justice Department's dismissal in the case, and his plans to hold a hearing, which has not yet happened.

Michael Flynn and Justice Department's effort to end his case is denied - CNNPolitics
 
Good call. Trump's henchman Barr can't get away with everything. Just enough to really screw things up way wrong. But not everything.
 
“Flynn update - here is the order denying the mandamus.

The case goes back to Judge Sullivan.

The opinion ends with these words:

"we expect the District Court to proceed with appropriate dispatch."

Just read this on Twitter > Techno Fog
 
bluesmoke said:
Good call. Trump's henchman Barr can't get away with everything. Just enough to really screw things up way wrong. But not everything.
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It appears the Deep State is still out to get Flynn for doing nothing illegal. Meanwhile Hillary waltzes away scot-free for putting highly classified information on a improperly secured and unauthorized server. If I would have mishandled classified data and been caught I would have been indicted, prosecuted and sentenced to time in prison.

In the end it looks like Trump will have to pardon Flynn and he will.

Why dismiss the Flynn case? Because the FBI can't prove it
Why dismiss the Flynn case? Because the FBI can't prove it | TheHill
 
It's difficult to not lie to the FBI and then plead guilty to it. It's something that most of us struggle with daily, I'd guess.

Or not.
 

Flynn pled guilty. Twice.
 
What the DOJ is REALLY trying to avoid is Flynn calling the former prosecutors before his bench...
 

Deep state! Lol what a stupid term
 

 
lwf said:
Flynn pled guilty. Twice.
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Assume you pled guilty to robbing a bank twice but the bank had never been robbed.
 
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BlueTex said:
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There was no crime to begin with but the court system should be allowed to continue to persecute not prosecute an innocent man for the sheer legality and fun of it. The court system will not be satisfied until Flynn has to sell the shirt off his back to pay his attorneys fees and then the judge will charge Flynn with contempt of court for appearing shirtless in front of the court.
 

Perhaps Sullivan will just ask the DOJ to explain why they prosecuted this case all the way till sentencing and then abruptly changed their position.
 
I'm guessing the judges all voted according to whether they were nominated by Republicans or Democrats. This was probably more a political than a judicial decision.
 
Batcat said:
Assume you pled guilty to robbing a bank twice but the bank had never been robbed.
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I am not stupid enough to do that.
 
BlueTex said:
Perhaps Sullivan will just ask the DOJ to explain why they prosecuted this case all the way till sentencing and then abruptly changed their position.
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That is possible. It could be because Attorney General Barr is an honest man and seen the prosecution as a travesty of justice.

But there could be other reasons as discussed in this article.

Government lawyer suggests Attorney General Barr had secret reasons for dropping Michael Flynn criminal case
DOJ lawyer suggests AG Barr had secret reasons for dropping Michael Flynn case
 

Michael Flynn is a retired lieutenant general in the army with a team of high priced lawyers. Do you really think he is stupid enough to plead guilty to a crime because of a little pressure on his family?

It is public record that Michael Flynn committed a crime. The issue isn't whether he committed that crime, it is whether there was any misconduct on the part of investigators that might allow him to get away with it. Apparently there wasn't until they got to the sentencing phase, and then miraculously the DOJ suddenly found some.
 

In this case, we have the DOJ which refuses to show the FBI transcripts of Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador which could easily settle the matter regarding if Flynn lied or not to the FBI. All this while the same DOj had no problem to declassify internal memos describing the tactics and debates among the investigators. So, there are obvious doubt standards of DOJ conduct. By the way, even Pence at the time and Trump acted like Flynn lied to them regarding his conversations with the Russian ambassador.
 
eman623 said:
I'm guessing the judges all voted according to whether they were nominated by Republicans or Democrats. This was probably more a political than a judicial decision.
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You would be wrong. 4 were Republican appointed and 2 of those 4 agreed with majority.
 

What crime did Flynn commit that is on record? Lying to the FBI about a nonexistent crime. It seems to me there was plenty of misconduct on the part of the investigators.

Show me the man and I will find you the crime.
Lavrentiy Beria
 
Batcat said:
What crime did Flynn commit that is on record? Lying to the FBI about a nonexistent crime. It seems to me there was plenty of misconduct on the part of the investigators.

Show me the man and I will find you the crime.
Lavrentiy Beria
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Lying to the FBI is not a non existent crime. It is, in fact, a crime.
 
lwf said:
Lying to the FBI is not a non existent crime. It is, in fact, a crime.
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At times it strikes me that those who dislike Trump and the people around him are bound and determined to make damn sure no outsider like Trump ever runs for president again. So what if Flynn did nothing wrong? We got him by his cojones as he LIED to an FBI agent. Oh my God, what a terrible crime. We will have to send him to prison for the rest of his life.

 
Batcat said:
What crime did Flynn commit that is on record? Lying to the FBI about a nonexistent crime. It seems to me there was plenty of misconduct on the part of the investigators.

Show me the man and I will find you the crime.
Lavrentiy Beria
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The fact that Flynn lied to investigators is not disputed even by Barr. Their argument in the DOJ motion (which was not signed by any career DOJ prosecutor) was not that Flynn did not lie but that his lie was not material to the FBI's investigations which is pretty incredibe considering the fact that the FBI at the time was also into a possible counterintelligence investigation of the possible scenario that Russians were using people close to Trump to gain access to the highest level of the US government. So, any lie that misrepresenting a dialogie between Flynn and the Ryssian ambassador seemed very relevant to the FBI's case/ But heck, the DOJ has the transcripts of the conversation, so they can reveal it to Sulivan and explain why Flynn's lie was not material to the case!
 
Plead guilty to a bank robbery that never happened? Twice?

Lmao.



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roughdraft274 said:
You would be wrong. 4 were Republican appointed and 2 of those 4 agreed with majority.
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I believe 1 was recused and Rao and Henderson were in dissent separately. If anyone has read the full case and can outline the leanings and rulings, please do so, I have a lot to do today.
 
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