Apalachee High School: Shooting confirmed at high school, one person in custody

[ClaraD]

If they're going to be armed, teachers need to be trained as professional law enforcement agents are trained. And they need certification.

Who is going to pay the substantial costs of liability insurance each and every armed teacher will need?

How, specifically, are all teachers' weapons going to be kept secure from being accessed by kids?

And what if they don’t want to own a gun?

 

[Pyrite]

Manatee School of the Arts seems to have a good plan.

Florida School Hires 2 Combat Veterans to Take Down Active Shooters (Published 2019)

A charter school in Palmetto, Fla., plans to protect its students by arming security guards with Glock handguns and semiautomatic rifles.

www.nytimes.com

Two combat vets armed with long guns. Proactive defense.

“If an armed intruder were to enter the campus, “we’re not looking for a fair fight,” Bill Jones, the principal, said in an interview. “We’re looking at an overwhelming advantage.””

“Manatee School for the Arts hired one guardian with 15 years of infantry experience who has now been on campus for a couple of months, Dr. Jones said. A second guardian, also a combat veteran, is finishing his training and will begin working this month, he added.

Guardians are required to complete at least 132 hours of firearm safety and proficiency training.

Dr. Jones said the school hired combat veterans because he wanted guards who wouldn’t hesitate to go after a gunman.”

Legislation would have to be drafted that gives the would-be shooters/guardians, the schools, the school boards etc legal immunity for wounding and/or killing kids and teachers who are not the shooter.

Legislation would have to be drafted that gives the would-be shooters/guardians, the schools, the school boards etc legal authority and immunity for shooting to kill kids suspected of being the shooter.

Now, what about campuses which are spread out? Here in the North we have multiple one- and two-story buildings that make the campus quite extensive. I doubt two would-be shooters/guardians would be able to be everywhere at once, would be able to respond BEFORE a kid shooter takes out several people.

 

[Bodecea]

easy, i already told you.

close all our Military bases over seas and bring the Soldiers home to GUARD the schools

and yes, this doesn't have a SNOWBALLS chance right?

well maybe. it is so Crazy, that it may shake up some people who care in Dee Cee.

setting up a high fence secure Perimeter area around the school isn't hard to do.



View attachment 67530583...meh, how many School shootings do you see in this scene?

go ahead and challenge my answer, my solutions or whatever. we will wait.

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How sad.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You made the claim about lots of laws yet Ga has damn near ZERO restrictions on access to guns or carrying them.

All Federal laws to purchase firearms apply in GA.
- 18 to purchase a long gun
- 21 to purchase a handgun
- You have to be 21 to carry without a permit in GA

So what laws does GA not have that you think would have made a difference in this case?

 

[OlNate]

And that's a point indeed. Some guns are simply designed to kill large amounts of people. So, you're correct but we'd have less death if it were something else but......

It doesn't fix the issue of our violent culture, ties to deep seated racist views, intolerance and social encouragement to take others with ya when you're done living on this planet.

We do need to address why we're so violent in America. While the mass shootings aren't the bulk of our gun related deaths here, they are the leading cause of terror. Americans are starting to feel terrorized by home grown terrorists. It's happening enough now to affect peoples quality of life. That's a problem.

While terrorism is a problem that I wouldn't attempt to minimize, I would suggest that the vast majority of your gun deaths have nothing to do with politically or religiously motivated domestic terrorism.

Sorry, I'm ADHD AF, and an analyst in my previous carreer, I tend to default to things like the Pareto principle. I would just tend to spend more time focussing on what's driving the majority of the problem. People who are politically or religiously motivated to comit acts of terrorism will be able to aquire the kind of firearms that are, as you say, designed to kill large amounts of people, no matter if they are banned or not. These weapons are already in wide circulation. Viewing the gun violence issue from behind the lense of domestic terrorism is doomed to lead to disappointing results, at a cost to the advancement of initiatives that address a larger portion of the overall issue.

I know none of this addresses the emotional fear associated with terrorism. By it's definition, it is meant to achieve victory through terror, creating a perception of a much bigger threat than they can actually bring to bear. Even though the chance of being killed in a terrorist attack or mass shooting is statistically incredibly unlikely, "it could happen to me" is a powerful force. Please do not read a lack of empathy into what, for me, on an anonymous debate forum, is a more methodical exploration of the topic.

 

[ClaraD]

How sad.

They aren’t even listening to themselves.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Military cannot be police officers in the US off military bases.

Those aren’t military personnel. Please read the article.

 

[ClaraD]

All Federal laws to purchase firearms apply in GA.
- 18 to purchase a long gun
- 21 to purchase a handgun
- You have to be 21 to carry without a permit in GA

So what laws does GA not have that you think would have made a difference in this case?

No permit is required in Ga for concealed or open carry

 

[JMB1911A1]

And what if they don’t want to own a gun?

What if they do? Shouldn’t they have the option. Your fellow teacher may be a world ranked competitive shooter on the weekends.

 

[Revelation]

It's illegal, unconstitutional, for our military to be deployed on US soil. You knew that, right?

ok.

give them a new job.

hmmm maybe for the School Corporation ???

you knew that right?

.

 

[Parrish]

Who would have thought that in addition to education courses prospective teachers would be required to be marksmen,

 

[Pyrite]

And what if they don’t want to own a gun?

Tough! No state teaching certification for them!

They should go into another field.

 

[Revelation]

How sad.

sorry pal.

so you like 'nice tidy little wars overseas'


sorry, so sorry.

 

[JMB1911A1]

No permit is required in Ga for concealed or open carry

That is an oversimplification of the law. There are still requirements.

Q: What is the requirement to be a lawful weapons carrier?

A: 1) Anyone with a valid GWL; 2) Anyone who is eligible for a GWL (or would be eligible but for his or her non-residency in Georgia); or 3) Anyone who has a weapons carry license (or similar license) issued by another state. This means a Georgia resident who has a license from another state may carry based on the other state’s license. It also means a person under 21 years old but who obtains a license from another state may carry.

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Q: I heard the law now allows criminals to carry. Is that true?

A: No. If a person’s criminal history would make the person ineligible for a GWL (such as a convicted felon), that person would not be able to carry.

 

[ClaraD]

Those aren’t military personnel. Please read the article.

So you do realize Georgia schools have on campus all of the time right?

 

[Pyrite]

Military cannot be police officers in the US off military bases.

Uh-oh.....

 

[donhughesmusic]

LOL!

HOW does a teacher, a principal, an SRO, "MAKE" a child use a designated entrance, each and every single time the kid wants to enter the school?

BE SPECIFIC.

Parents walk with the kid to the designated entrance.

 

[Bodecea]

yes

yes

YES

No

 

[JMB1911A1]

So you do realize Georgia schools have on campus all of the time right?

And an SRO stopped the shooter.

 

[Revelation]

Who would have thought that in addition to education courses prospective teachers would be required to be marksmen,

yeah i know.

maybe we can think of better solutions, but it just occurred to me that if we are at war with school shootings

then take it toooooooooo the enemy.

got a BETTER idea?

let's hear it.

thanks

 

[ClaraD]

That is an oversimplification of the law. There are still requirements.

Q: What is the requirement to be a lawful weapons carrier?

A: 1) Anyone with a valid GWL; 2) Anyone who is eligible for a GWL (or would be eligible but for his or her non-residency in Georgia); or 3) Anyone who has a weapons carry license (or similar license) issued by another state. This means a Georgia resident who has a license from another state may carry based on the other state’s license. It also means a person under 21 years old but who obtains a license from another state may carry.

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Q: I heard the law now allows criminals to carry. Is that true?

A: No. If a person’s criminal history would make the person ineligible for a GWL (such as a convicted felon), that person would not be able to carry.

The Georgia Constitutional Carry Act, passed in 2022, allows “lawful” gun owners to carry a concealed weapon in most public places without getting a weapons carry license from the state. Gov. Brian Kemp championed the measure, known as “permitless carry,” as a way to “build a safer, stronger Georgia.”Jan 3, 2024

 

[Pyrite]

So you do realize Georgia schools have on campus all of the time right?

In our locality, there's an armed school resource officer on campus at each middle and high school.

Then again, the schools are large. Unless the SRO is outside or in the classroom when a student pulls out a firearm, the police officer isn't going to prevent a shooting.

 

[Revelation]

No

no what.

the fences aren't high enuf?

you want automatic weapons instead of Glocks?

what do you object to?

.

 

[ClaraD]

And an SRO stopped the shooter.

After 4 were dead and 9 hospitalized

 

[ClaraD]

In our locality, there's an armed school resource officer on campus at each middle and high school.

Then again, the schools are large. Unless the SRO is outside or in the classroom when a student pulls out a firearm, the police officer isn't going to prevent a shooting.

My older daughter’s school has 4 and it’s a smaller school and middle school. Today they had about 4 in each hallway