Apalachee High School: Shooting confirmed at high school, one person in custody

[Mika-El]

That you people don’t want to address the actual problem.

No. I point out the facts which are objective reality.

No you utter your subjective opinion. Your subjective opinion is not objective reality because you say so. Objective fact is determined by a specific methodology that determines the cause and effect of how the crime was set into motion, then transpired not what you feel based on your preconceived bias that access to guns should not be discussed because it might open questions as to what is deficient with existing gun regulations a topic you demand myself and others ignore because you don't believe in gun control.

You people are part of the objective reality you wish to ignore. You people include the surviving children, the dead children, the employees of the school, the first responders and police to the scene, the parents, all citizens of the US and even people like me and Alan in Canada all fed up with children or adults getting access to guns to kill children in school or anywhere.

 

[OlNate]

And yet, if the kids that DO shoot up schools didn’t have access to guns, the kids they killed would still be alive.

Would they? Or would the kid learn to make a bomb from stuff they can get from the hardware store. Or would they run a car through a crowd at lunchtime? Or...or...or... I mean, an entire genocide was committed in Rwanda using primarily machetes.

I'm not saying your heart is in the wrong place. I'm not saying you're dumb or a bad person. And I'm definitely not saying it's not worth figuring out.

What I'm saying is that the most expedient, efficient, and effective way of resolving this is spending more time on the root cause - what causes someone to pick up anything to commit violence, and do what you can there. Banning guns, and then collecting them, would take a very long time, cost a lot of money, and given the lack of consensus around the initiative, would likely cause more bloodshed than doing nothing at all.... and not result in people stopping killing one another in America.

 

[Revelation]

No, IMO it should not be age. Let this 14 year old psycho go and NO KID will ever be safe. The message is out that if you're underage, you can get off easy. BULLSHIT.

Any 14 year old who shoots up a school, kills and wounds people needs to be removed from society.

um yes, thanks Jessie

what is wrong with capital punishment? does that deter crime if it is a clear crime and handled immediately?

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[OlNate]

It can be a contributing factor

I think it's more an enabling factor. If it were a contributing factor I would expect to see a much higher rate of gun violence, given the saturation of guns in America.

 

[rahl]

No you utter your subjective opinion.

No, I point out objective reality and constitutional law.

Your subjective opinion is not objective reality because you say so.

Obviously.

Objective fact is determined by a specific methodology that determines the cause and effect of how the crime was set into motion, then transpired not what you feel based on your preconceived bias that access to guns should not be discussed because it might open questions as to what is deficient with existing gun regulations a topic you demand myself and others ignore because you don't believe in gun control.

We know access to guns isn’t the issue. We’ve always had access to guns. We’ve had EASIER access to guns in the past. School shootings are a very recent phenomena

You people are part of the objective reality you wish to ignore.

Lol, no.

You people include the surviving children, the dead children, the employees of the school, the first responders and police to the scene, the parents, all citizens of the US and even people like me and Alan in Canada all fed up with children or adults getting access to guns to kill children in school or anywhere.

And objective reality is that guns aren’t going anywhere. Objective reality is guns are not the issue. Objective reality is we’ve always had guns, and we had easier access to guns in the past. Yet these shootings are a very recent phenomena.

 

[trixare4kids]

Since not a single firearm was removed, and you could buy brand new ones each and ever day during the “ban”, we know it has no relevance here.

It’s unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has already told you this.

Some couldn’t care less about our protected rights.

 

[Mika-El]

Some do. We know it isn’t guns that’s the cause. We’ve had access to guns for centuries. Guns were easier to access 50 years ago but we didn’t have school shootings like we’ve had the last 25 years.

Lets try one last time. I still do not think Rahl can grasp it (excuse the pun). Rahl the fact that penises have been around for centuries (for that matter anal cavities, vaginas, mouths) does not mean syphilis is not transmitted by sexual conduct to those areas.

Now sit and try figure that out before you go out and do something you might regret,. Thank you. If that does not show you the absurdity of your above comments I do not think anyone can help/stop you at this point but is why there are health regulations to actually arrest you (penalize you) if you knowingly spread diseases.

Zippity doo da day another don't touch my gun/penis day.



What engage in safety prevention hell no. Penises have been around for centuries.

 

[Revelation]

Some don’t want to invest the time in addressing the root causes of societal deterioration when it’s so much easier to stomp out your protected rights.

thank you Trix. now we are Peeking at reality; the fascists don't like that though.

we just want your guns and just trust us to respect your rights. really, just trust us Stalin said.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Some do.

false.

We know it isn’t guns that’s the cause.

Regulating them more is the obvious solution.

 

[trixare4kids]

Tell it to the families of the dead.

You speak for the families now?

 

[Mika-El]

Some couldn’t care less about our protected rights.

Just like some could care less of the rights of children who die, are shot or injured when children and adults get access to guns that kill children.

You have a point other than to utter you do not give a shit about anyone and their rights and only care about your own?

 

[OlNate]

How can I explain it so that you would understand? You asked for my preference on the number of children killed, I said 0. That means I would prefer that in children had to die due to gun violence. But that is as asked, my preference but I realize that is basically not possible in todays world. Besides I don't think 0 can be hyped up, its just 0, nada, nil just zero..

For sure, coming to a point where humans cease killing each other entirely is not in the cards, whether you ban guns or not. Even if you do everything perfectly, something we humans aren't exactly known for, you'll still have people killing each other.

But even reduction is a noble goal. If one is too many, than one saved is a reason to try.

I just don't see how inflated numbers would prevent you from doing so, if your desire would be to see no children be killed through gun violence. If "they" said two and the real number was one, that would still fall outside of your stated range of acceptability. If what you say is true, you should be motivated to discuss solutions, regardless of the reported number.

 

[Moon]

Says the "thoughts and prayers" lady.

Weren’t you just chastising another poster for showing no empathy, and now you’re bitching at one who has?

 

[acco40]

Even if it is, that is not an argument. So long as there is due process, what is wrong with vengeance?

Vengeance should not be a component of our criminal justice system. Nor should revenge.

Over the last four decades, the US prison population has quadrupled, and at 2 million, it now has the highest per capita rate in the world. One in seven US prisoners is serving a life term, five times the number in 1984. Has that reduced crime? No. Has that cost taxpayers billions of dollars? Yes.

Shouldn't the goal of our criminal justice system be to reform the criminal as opposed to inflicting suffering?

I know nothing about the 14 year-old that killed four today. But killing him or incarcerating him for life won't bring those folks back.

 

[Revelation]

Some do. We know it isn’t guns that’s the cause. We’ve had access to guns for centuries. Guns were easier to access 50 years ago but we didn’t have school shootings like we’ve had the last 25 years.

Rahl, what changed in the last 25 years?

can we ask that question yet?

can we change back?

thanks.

 

[Allan]

Weren’t you just chastising another poster for showing no empathy, and now you’re bitching at one who has?

She wasn't. She was trolling post 45 and others.

 

[OlNate]

Some couldn’t care less about our protected rights.

Honestly, I don't think it's that hard to understand. People can talk about rights, but, right or wrong, in the heat of the moment, I would give up every single one of mine, or trample on every single one of yours, if it meant saving my 11 year old son.

 

[acco40]

No, IMO it should not be age. Let this 14 year old psycho go and NO KID will ever be safe. The message is out that if you're underage, you can get off easy. BULLSHIT.

Any 14 year old who shoots up a school, kills and wounds people needs to be removed from society.

Not trying the perpetrator as an adult doesn't equate with letting him go.

Scientific research shows key developmental differences between youth and adults that impact youth’s decision making, impulse control, and susceptibility to peer pressure. While these differences do not excuse youth from responsibility for their actions, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized that youth are less blameworthy than adults and more capable of change and rehabilitation (Roper v. Simmons, Graham v. Florida, J.D.B. v. North Carolina, Miller v. Alabama, Montgomery v. Louisiana).

Punishing children the same way we punish adults does not advance public safety. Research also shows that as youth mature, they are substantially less likely to re-offend; locking children up for years will extend their incarceration well beyond the time needed for them to be rehabilitated.

Many youth in the justice system have experienced or witnessed violence and trauma. Youth in the adult criminal justice system face a higher risk of sexual abuse, physical assault, and suicide. Incarcerating children with adults also denies them access to many essential programs and services, including basic and special education, as well as treatment and counseling services, impeding their chances for healthy development. Education is also closely linked to reducing re-offending; youth’s successful re-entry to their communities is compromised when they are deprived of adequate and appropriate educational opportunities. - https://jlc.org/issues/youth-tried-adults

 

[rahl]

Lets try one last time.

Repeating the same fallacy I’ve already addressed doesn’t help you.

 

[Revelation]

Vengeance should not be a component of our criminal justice system. Nor should revenge.

Over the last four decades, the US prison population has quadrupled, and at 2 million, it now has the highest per capita rate in the world. One in seven US prisoners is serving a life term, five times the number in 1984. Has that reduced crime? No. Has that cost taxpayers billions of dollars? Yes.

WHY ?

Shouldn't the goal of our criminal justice system be to reform the criminal as opposed to inflicting suffering?

um yes.

why has rehabilitation long been abandoned in our prison system?

why is it harder for me to serve in Jail ministries like i used to do decades ago?

why do some jails bar ministers and me from some jails?

I know nothing about the 14 year-old that kill four today. But killing him or incarcerating him for life won't bring those folks back.

will it deter other criminals from shooting up schools?

why should we not kill the criminal murderer if he clearly did the crime?

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[JMB1911A1]

Georgia teachers can carry at school. Won’t you feel stupid if it was a kid who gained access to a teacher’s gun?
All them armed teachers couldn’t stop nearly 40 kids being shot

Only 3 of 180 GA school districts have armed staff.

13 people were shot. 4 dead, 9 wounded, not nearly 40.

The shooter was stopped by a school resource officer who had, guess what, a gun.

 

[trixare4kids]

thank you Trix. now we are Peeking at reality; the fascists don't like that though.

we just want your guns and just trust us to respect your rights. really, just trust us Stalin said.

Some want us to be like Canada and other countries who think our rights are granted as privileges.
All some know is that guns are the problem but some also say they
believe their governments have their best interests at heart too. Ha!
There was a long list a poster put up earlier. Do you think the gun banning countries care about the root causes? No, and neither do the gun banners who want to tell you what rights you shouldn’t have.

 

[Sabre]

Guessing the GOP is already rushing to defend the gun...

....because they care so very much for the children.

Would it be better if Trump had a bullet proof cage like Harris?

 

[ClaraD]

Some couldn’t care less about our protected rights.

Some could care less about dead kids

 

[Ginger Ale]

still doesn't answer the question, what has changed in the last 25 years.

our gun laws have doubled, so the criminals have 2 times the amount of Gun laws to read.

maybe the Problem is something else.........and we all know what the problem is, don't we.

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Look up how many more guns we own ot