AP Abortion: Moral Responsibility

[AmIsraelHai]

Yes. She had the right to kill both herself and the fetus inside her...

Candace Owens said Democrats push for abortion because it is lowering the black population. Do you think this is true?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I am not trying to persuade anybody... morals are subjective. You asked a question and I answered it.

What are the factors that cause people to be pro-choice when it comes to abortion?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

No, she does not have the moral right to kill herself, pregnant or not, suicide is immoral.

Should abortion be a choice even if it means someone is loosing their life?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Sez who?





All "right to life" means is the GOVT cannot take your life without due process. It doesn't mean a woman can't terminate her pregnancy.

And zefs are not human beings.

Is it possible to be a democrat and be totally against abortion and against more gun control laws?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

My first thought. Too late to whine about whether she did the 'moral' thing. Reckoning is for the living.

If you walk by a clinic and see a woman about to go get an abortion, would you offer to raise the baby?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I think you're conflating the two. If I have the moral right to be immoral, then morality is meaningless. I do not have the moral right to use racial slurs, even though I may have the legal right to do so. If I use racial slurs I am being immoral, even though there is nothing anyone can legally do about it. It might be a moral thing for a society of humans in certain circumstances to allow themselves the LEGAL right to be immoral, but this in no way makes immoral behavior a moral right.

Is life in prison a just punishment for the sin and crime of abortion?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I should add, suicide is also illegal, KevinKohler. And I believe it should remain that way.

If you are pro-choice, can you identify at all with people that are pro-life because they believe abortion is murder?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I am against so-called compassionate release as well because it opens the door to allowing suicide on demand, certainly. But that was not the point I was addressing. I am addressing the idea of healthy adults (or perhaps older minors) having the absolute right to commit suicide without interference. From what I am given to understand, most suicides are not committed by people who are terminally ill or in states of incurable vegetative agony.



I did not argue that it was. I believe that moral people with any empathy and who are not total solipsists should prevent otherwise-healthy people from committing suicide. That does not mean that I would impose a legal duty on people to do so (unless they are the legal caretakers with a legal duty of care to those people). But otherwise, I would not seek out a legal imposition any more than I believe that a person who is walking on the beach and sees someone out at sea drowning should be legally required to jump into the ocean to swim out and save them.



If you want to use this particular issue that I am arguing about as a jumping-off point with which to attack my other positions regarding late-trimester abortion or elective euthanasia, please feel free. But first, I must ask: Do you believe that a an otherwise healthy person should be legally entitled to commit suicide free of any interference? And that if anyone tries to interfere, that it is the people who interfere who should be criminally prosecuted?



I am talking about elective suicide of physically healthy people, not elective abortion or euthanasia , Lursa.



It depends. If non-terminally ill people have the right to engage in life-ending self-harm the moment they reach the age of majority (or perhaps even before), then we open the doors to suicide on demand. If suicide is an absolute right, then anybody who interferes with a suicide is a criminal. It can lead to the utterly bizarre situation in which you would be charged with assault for pulling the gun out of your daughter's mouth after she broke up with her boyfriend, for example.

Of course, perhaps you are such a believer in self-determination that if your daughter, or a friend, or any other loved one was severely emotionally distressed, you would encourage them to kill themselves and hand them the gun. Would you do so if you were asked? And if not, why not?

Why are slogans of pro life on a bus ok (picture of a crying woman who had an abortion), but anything relate to "it's ok to have an abortion" is immediately attacked and removed?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

What cost is there to society if someone kills themselves?

Here, if someone attempts suicide, they can be detained in hospital. It doesn't need to be illegal to do that.

Is it true that many women who are against abortion have had one themselves?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Yep. Irrelevant question.

Why does the abortion debate not include a debate about access to healthcare?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

The hypothetical woman (and MacGuffin) is dead. Moral and legal questions are irrelevant to the scenario as no action would make any difference.

Even if she survived and the fetus died there’d be virtually nothing that could be done about it, other than possibly forced mental evaluation and treatment.

Is there a correlation between attitudes on the death penalty, attitudes toward gun ownership and abortion?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Morals are subjective . . fail number 3

What if life starts at conception? What would that do to the definition of abortions?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

You confuse your personal morality with objective morality, something that doesn't exist

What motivates someone into becoming a late-term abortion provider?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Angel doesn't answer questions he just diverts until you have asked several times then claims that he already has.
Dishonest is one of his main tactics (not a very Christian way is it?)

Why do states with the most restrictive abortion laws also have the highest infant mortality rates (deaths of infants unrelated to abortions)? The effect is not particularly "pro-life."?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

I think that it is morally wrong to call a woman a murderer simply for having chooses to have an abortion.

Will people still have abortions even if it’s illegal?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

The thing about morality is that it is determined by consensus. Most People generally agree that murder, enslavement, assault, and rape are horrific acts. However, there are issues that are more complex then a simple binary choice between right and wrong.

Abortion is one of those complex issues that is heavily dependent on nuance. In my own personal view, I believe that the choice of whether or not to have an abortion is something that is between the mother, the doctor, and the family. The decision of whether or not to have an abortion should be made by the mother because it is the mother who ultimately has to undergo the agonizing process of giving birth.

This is the thing that gets me: abortion is a personal matter and should be left up to individuals.

Should medical personnel have the right to decline to participate in an abortion procedure?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Of course, Angel (aptly named!) is right, again. Science is indeed a body of concepts. If someone is stupid enough to claim otherwise, then I will simply ask him/her to go out into reality, cut off a little piece if science, and then tell me what colour it is, what it smells like, how much it weighs, and what its molecular structure is. And of course, this is not possible, because science only exists in man's mind. And it certainly is man-made, because I dont see any animals thiking or talking about science. It's like I said, just because science has a basis in reality and can be proven or disproved, it does not mean it physically exists out there.

What is Andrew Yang position on abortion and same sex marriage issues?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Interesting position. Is it anything like a murderer being found guilty of committing murder, even though by all accounts, he is a good guy?

The Trump administration will allow health workers to refuse abortion and sex reassignment services if it violates their “conscience” or religion. What your opinion?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Ever hear self defense?

Or justifiable homacide ?

What should a girl do if boyfriend suggests for abortion after physical relationship?

 

[Felis Leo]

If you are pro-choice, can you identify at all with people that are pro-life because they believe abortion is murder?

Yes, I most certainly can, AmIsraelHai.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Yes she did.

She stated

Will Hollywood leave Georgia if Georgia passes their latest very strict abortion bill?

 

[Anthony60]

If you got a woman pregnant, would you offer to pay for an abortion?

Why would you do that? You just did all the work to get her pregnant, then you would want to stop it? That doesn't make sense. Would you paint a work of art, then wipe it away?

 

[AmIsraelHai]

And that is your answer. She does not accept your premise.

Just because you do not like the answer does not mean she did not answer it,

In many US states, abortion is legal. Should it be? How late term should be allowed?

 

[Felis Leo]

Why are slogans of pro life on a bus ok (picture of a crying woman who had an abortion), but anything relate to "it's ok to have an abortion" is immediately attacked and removed?

I had no idea that was the case, and I am not sure why.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Why would you do that? You just did all the work to get her pregnant, then you would want to stop it? That doesn't make sense. Would you paint a work of art, then wipe it away?

Well... if it was intentional. The just wanted sex, and things happens...? Then what?