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Yup. I have to do all kinds of things with it. That's why they call it "labor".
Is your body being internally used? Nope
Only after viability and the states made that choice.
I understand there many very compelling reasons a woman might chose to have an abortion.
You totally missed my point.
BTW, if you have killed a person, then you have no call to judge women who abort at ANY stage.
Is your body being internally used? Nope
Yup. I have to do all kinds of things with it. That's why they call it "labor".
Well you are very lucky that you still able to work.
During my first pregnancy I was so sick I could not even work part time.
I have 4 children. They were very much wanted and very much loved but yes, the pregnancies and the birth of my children did affect my short term health and my long term health.
A couple of months after DH and I were married ( over 40 years ago) I thought I had the stomach flu as my stomach was upset and I was vomiting but after a few days I realized I might be pregnant. When I went to doctor and found out that indeed I was "expecting" DH and I were so excited. We had planned to start our family as soon as possible . The doctor wrote a script for the morning sickness and I thought all would be OK.
Only it wasn't Ok. It turns out I had Hyperemesis gravidarum which is an extreme type of morning sickness.
I had to quit my part time job. My DH was so good to me and so supportive. He took over the cleaning , laundry,cooking his own meals , as well as working to support us.
I had a very hard time keeping any food down. I could barley even keep a sip of water down. My throat got scarred from constant vomiting. I threw up from 3 to 8 times a day. Every time I would smell food cooking I would throw up. Sometimes I was just throwing up yellow colored stomach acid because I had no food in my stomach. I could only keep down small amounts of saltine crackers and dry cooked popcorn ( no oil) I was pretty much home bound as I was so weak. I got to the point where I could barely function. Just think of how you feel when you have the worst stomach flu of your life.
Then think of feeling that way for several months!
By the time I was 5 months pregnant I had lost almost 20% of my body weight.
After the 6 th month the vomiting eased a bit but I still threw up 1 to 2 day until I was 7-8 months along.
My OB/GYN did what he could for me but 40 years ago we did not have the meds or the knowledge about extreme morning sickness that is available today.
I went in regularly for B-12 injections as I had become very anemic. DH and I had taken Lamaze Classes but when it came for my delivery I was so anemic my OB/GYN was so concerned I would hemmorage that he put me under when he delivered the baby. He had everything set up for a total blood transfusion and wanted me under in case he need to do a complete transfusion.
I was very lucky to have my DH's love and support, both emotional and financial.
I don't think I could have made it had it not been for him, his love, his patience, his support, my loving family members and friends who helped me endure the sickness, the worry, the stress, and the physical barriers I went through.
Then think of feeling that way for several months!
this is a wonderful story. I'm so happy you have that kind of marriage to that kind of man. I realize people get sarcastic on here, but I'm serious, this has put a real smile on my face
:shrug: My job involves me deploying for several months to places where the temperature is 130 degrees farenheight, I'm carrying 50-80 lbs of gear on my body, wrecking my joints and back, and I have people constantly trying to kill me with an inventive variety of explosives and small-arms. And yup - you get sick. Disastrously so. Imagine trying to run through a hostile city while feeling like that. I've often observed to my fellow Marines that the reason women talk about their pregnancies and births all the time to each other is because those are their war stories - same as ours.
Uhh...what?Let's recognize that you have yet to realize that you need to prove they're hypocrites besides just stating that they support government involvement in this issue and not on these other issues.
:lol:Lets also recognize that republicans at no point said they are against government involvement in peoples lives
Which is irrelevant to my argument. You're having the same trouble Chuckles did.What they are doing here is standing by human life and against an act that ends human life every single time it is taken.
Ah, so government cannot interfere with the right to own a gun (or even know who is owning a gun) after 20 children are massacred, but it can interfere with the right of a person to make decisions about their own body. Certainly there's no hypocrisy there. :roll:Like it or not guns are a right of the people to own
Try telling that to the many people who were long denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Then get back to me.and healthcare costs has nothing at all to do with human rights.
No, at this point, my response changes to "you'll never get it because you don't want to get it". I've explained it to you so many times I've lost count. For a reply to this post, please review one of my many other posts I've made to you. Even I have my limits on how often I'm willing to repeat myself to one person.No, as I fully explained above I get your argument, and even the responses you refer to the above. Which, correct me if I am wrong, was that this intrusion is simply based on an ethical ideal. I pointed to the fact that so are things like laws against rape and murder, and underlined the fact that what separates these groups is a second entity perceived to have rights and protection and that is directly effected by the act in question. Your examples on health care and gun control completely lack this, in any sense.
Hence, there is no inconsistency and no hypocrasy
PS and your reply to the above is to simply state "i don't get it" while hiking out some other analogy that fails on the same basis.
Life doesn't begin at conception buddy, life is a never-ending cycle. I don't want to get too much into this, because it's incredibly irrelevant to the point I've been making, but it's not like a sperm and egg meet and "BAM!...life!". Life is a never ending cycle, what the abortion debate tries to do is to decide when the life is to be granted recognition as a human. Some people, like you I would guess, would say it begins at conception. Others say after some arbitrary level of development, I tend to go with "when it can sustain itself outside the womb" and others go for the actual birth.Then you have an irrational belief that has no basis in scientific fact.
No, at this point, my response changes to "you'll never get it because you don't want to get it". I've explained it to you so many times I've lost count. For a reply to this post, please review one of my many other posts I've made to you. Even I have my limits on how often I'm willing to repeat myself to one person.
Now, I have absolutely zero expectations you'll accept (or even understand) my argument, and you'll no doubt come back with another post which completely misses the point, just like Chuckles and Henrin keep doing. Just keep in mind, before you do, I'm not talking about abortion, I'm talking about hypocrisy. Thanks.
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read here.
Like I said...you dont follow the news much, do you.
interesting. My body is being used as the source of my three childrens life right now - I have to do all kinds of things with it and to it (many of them not fun and downright uncomfortable) for 18 years or so. Where do I go to abrogate that responsibility? Is there, like, a process, or can I just sort of abort them myself?
No, an abortion does necessarily kill someone. Your comparison failed. A gun could be used to kill someone, but the vast majority of guns will not be involved in a crime nor will the vast majority of gun owners ever kill anyone. On the other hand, very last abortion kill someone and every last woman that has abortion kills someone.
I already have, and you don't care.
When I need the views of an extremist with zero regard for human life, I'll hit you up.
Incorrect. The zef is not necessarily a 'someone'.
Yup. I have to do all kinds of things with it. That's why they call it "labor".
*laughs*
Actually it is determined at time of conceoption:
A baby’s sex is determined at the time of conception. When the baby is conceived, a chromosome from the sperm cell, either X or Y, fuses with the X chromosome in the egg cell, determining whether the baby will be female or male. Two X’s means the baby will be a girl, and XY means it will be a boy.
But even though gender is determined at conception, the fetus doesn’t develop its external sexual organs until the fourth month of pregnancy.
Let’s go to seven weeks after conception. You can see from the front that the fetus appears to be sexually indifferent, looking neither like a male or a female.
Over the next five weeks, the fetus begins producing hormones that cause its sex organs to grow into either male or female organs. This process is called sexual differentiation.
We don’t know what sex this fetus is yet, so we’ll have to be hypothetical here.... Now, if the fetus is a male, it will produce hormones called androgens, which will cause his sexual organs to form like this...
On the other hand, a female fetus would not produce androgens; she would produce estrogens… so her sex organs would form like this...
Now let’s take a look at something you may have missed. At seven weeks, the sex organs of a male and female look identical. Let’s add some color to see what happens during sexual differentiation. Keep your eye on the genital tubercle.
See that? The genital tubercle formed the penis in the male, (pause) and the clitoris in the female.
The penis and clitoris are called sexual analogs (pause) because they originate from the same structure.
Incorrect. The zef is not necessarily a 'someone'.
Uhh...what?
The fact they are arguing the exact opposite thing they claim to believe in isn't proof of hypocrisy? Do you even know what the word means? It's the textbook definition of hypocrisy.
Right, and Democrats have never accused Republicans of hating women. :roll:
Which is irrelevant to my argument. You're having the same trouble Chuckles did.
Ah, so government cannot interfere with the right to own a gun (or even know who is owning a gun) after 20 children are massacred, but it can interfere with the right of a person to make decisions about their own body. Certainly there's no hypocrisy there. :roll:
Try telling that to the many people who were long denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Then get back to me.
It's hypocrisy, plain and simple. Maybe you don't want to see it because you're a Republican, I don't know you well enough to understand the trouble you're having with this. But it's pretty apparent hypocrisy.
Your children are not sucking blood out of you like a tick or mosquito does and are not dumping alien chromosomes and other waste into your body unlike the unborn do.
I already have, and you don't care.
When I need the views of an extremist with zero regard for human life, I'll hit you up.
Of course they are not the same. It doesn't change the fact their position is hypocritical. *shrug*Do you understand that not all issues are same?
Ahh, but you know your statement is completely false, because they are not passing laws to punish women for abortion, they are passing laws to prevent women from having abortions. Big difference.We're already punish people for killing others with the use of guns. Just like it is with anything else that does not mean they can simply act on gun rights in general. Punishing women for aborting their unborn child would be exactly the same. They would be punished for the crime of ending the life of another human. There is absolutely no hypocrisy between these stances.
The right to life is an inalienable right for all humans.What does that have to do with rights? No one acted towards the rights of those individuals.
Ahh...so then you're on the pro-choice side, not because you agree with abortion, but because you believe in limited, if any, government, right?<----Libertarian
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