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Well I would consider myself an anti-fascist, just as my father before me, and his father and much of my extended family for generations. Simply being a red blooded American with a respect for our rights and principles should make you sympathetic to anti-fascists and antagonistic towards fascists.
Its a good thing the KKK never burned down any buildings, (church's) or prohibited AMERICANS from exercising their rights.
I believe the only reason to use violence is to defend yourself or others from violence.
The Winston Churchill Prediction has come true "When Fascism come in the future it will be called a Anti-Fascist."
Oh, so the opposing group aren't Nazis, then?
Nonsense. You can answer in the abstract. You're just avoiding answering. It's pretty clear that you do condone their methods.
My point was that it's impossible for me, an individual to violate someone's 1st amendment rights, that only applies to the government. In the special case of people calling for racial genocide against their fellow countrymen, we as Americans don't have any obligation to defend their speech with no consequences. Sure, the government can't stop them, but that doesn't mean people can't oppose bad ideas.
Just curious, this has nothing to do with the topic. Is there anything people could say that would make you want to shut them up, violently if necessary?
Really? So killing is killing is killing, all the same in every situation? Killing in war, killing in defense, killing in passion, premeditated killing, these are all the same things? There are situations in life where I believe violence is justified. If you're so much of a pacifist that you wouldn't even defend your own family because all violence is exactly the same with no conditions, then you're not a very respectable person.
If a counter-protestor saw nazis hitting a black guy laying on the ground with bats, would violence be acceptable to try to stop them? What if the nazis were just hanging out singing Kumbaya? Would it be ok to use violence to stop them then? Situations and details matter.
Oh, please. This is just transparent blather. Antifa goes violent when no one's life is in danger. They suppress speech they don't like. They damage property which has nothing to do with anything they're protesting.
You know this. You're just looking for excuses NOT to denounce it.
You support it. Of this, there is no question. I'd have thought you'd have the stones to say so, but I guess not.
No, you said that individuals cannot be Fascists - only governments. Would you like to amend that statement?
And apparently it's lost on them that suppression of free speech and violence are both very Fascist-y.
Fascism would pertain to the government, not the reactions of individuals against threats.
Nope, I don't support killing innocent people, and I'm not the kind of person who would show up to a protest armed to the teeth ready to start blowing protesters away if I get scared.
And yet you STILL haven't denounced what you were actually asked about.
This is weaseling of the kind I would not previously have expected from you. It's fascinating.
But then, the election has changed a lot people.
Of course I haven't denounced it, because I said from the beginning violence is sometimes justified. You're the one here saying it's never justified under any circumstance, ever.
It's also important to note I didn't show up to the rally armed to the teeth giddy for the chance to kill somebody. A lot of others did, maybe you should be directing your outrage to them.
No, I asked you a question about general methods -- violence, speech suppression, and property damage -- which Antifa does frequently, whether or not anyone's life is in danger, and whether or not anyone involved is a "Nazi."
You know that's what I asked. You're just weaseling -- and focusing only on extreme situations -- to avoid saying you approve of that.
That has nothing to do with the question I asked you. This is just "but but but but but -- what about them????" Something you yourself love to point out when someone else does it.
Disappointing. You used to do much better than this.
You're just upset because I don't say exactly what you want me to say.
No, I'd say you're the one who's getting agitated because you're being asked an uncomfortable question.
You could denounce violence, speech suppression, and property damage as general tactics, as was the actual question. You will not do so.
Simply put, you approve of it, and you resent it being pointed out.
You had plenty of chances. It's time just to let the record stand.
I've already stated that in the special case of dealing with armed nazis calling for racial genocide I don't think Americans have to give two ****s about their rights or feelings. You can draw whatever conclusions from that that make you feel good.
I've already stated that in the special case of dealing with armed nazis calling for racial genocide I don't think Americans have to give two ****s about their rights or feelings. You can draw whatever conclusions from that that make you feel good.
The Winston Churchill Prediction has come true "When Fascism come in the future it will be called a Anti-Fascist."
Did Winston Churchill really say that “The Fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists”? Definitely not.
A similar quote is attributed to Huey Long, a populist Senator from Louisiana, in books and magazines of the 1930s, and 40s: “When fascism comes to America it will be called anti-fascism.” Long was assassinated in 1935 and it’s unclear if he said this, or if it was invented after his assassination. But Churchill never said it.
https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/9-quotes-from-winston-churchill-that-are-totally-fake-1790585636
Repeated search results find this attribution to be fake.
Jesse Booth: Casca doesn't vet or cite his sources at all. Don't take what he says seriously.
Just curious, how about sympathizers?
As, probably, the only one around here who was a refugee from fascists and subsequently bombed and rocketed by fascists I have an opinion. Antifa - we have them here in Sweden too - are thugs and bully boys who would be entirely at home in the Nazi Brown Shirts. They are enemies of liberal democracy and free speech, using intimidation and out-right violence. Antifa's claims to moral justification disgust me.
If you are a today's American Leftist violence is also to shut down Political opinions you disagree with.
If saying the wrong thing is reason to employ violence now, as it seems to be, does that mean that I once again can slug my woman when she gets mouthy?
If not why not?
This is for anybody.
If saying the wrong thing is reason to employ violence now, as it seems to be, does that mean that I once again can slug my woman when she gets mouthy?
If not why not?
This is for anybody.
Wait, what?
Just curious, how about sympathizers?
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