Antisemites demand crippling sanctions on Israel

[Ouroboros]

In any context that comment is pretty stupid.

Nothing's stupider than you asking for another poster's religious beliefs on a non-religious thread.

 

[Ouroboros]

Thats for you to tell us if you're brave enough to frail one. Why would you pretend we were in agreement if my agreement doesnt matter to you..... hmmmmm?

I'm just trying to provoke you into saying more absurdities, for laughs. You may yet exceed the Great Crunchtime Edit if you try hard enough.

We dont need you to assure us that your arguments rest on make believe we can see it an confirm it objectively for ourselves.

Still no objectivity in any post you've ever made here.

 

[snakestretcher]

More sealioning heard from. When will any Mad Libs learn how to debate ANYTHING?

When will you stop supporting a genocidal and apartheid state?

 

[snakestretcher]

Actually, as someone watching the Epstein scandal continue to unfold -- its become quite clear that Israel has subverted the American political system, and blackmailed the most powerful American politicians, from Bill Clinton to possibly Donald Trump. This is a hostile act, perhaps even an act of war. The very least repercussion should be sanctions on Israel.

I want a full investigation as to the extent of damage from this unforgiveable attack on our national security and to the foundations of our democracy. While Americans remain focused on the internal scandal, it cannot be forgotten nor ignored that the core problem was the decision by a supposedly allied nation to blackmail our politicians and subvert our Democracy. That is jsut as unforgiveable as the actions of the pedophilic politicians.

America needs to know who has been comprimised, how long theyve been comprimised. But most of all, it needs to send a strong message to the nefarious nation posing as our ally, that this sort of deep betrayal will be punished in the harshest terms. Israel would be lucky to just get off with sanctions.And if you try to call me an anti-semite for saying so, then you are one of the treasonous and traitorous individuals that need to be tried and punished, MOVING FORWARD.

Note that I am only interested in those who continue to support Israel KNOWING that it has likely committed acts of sabotage against our democracy, and blackmail of our politicians. It must be now be deemed a hostile nation moving forward, for there actions have been inherently hostile. I do not care about what happened in the past. Many people supported Israel for various reasons, legitimate or otherwise -- it does not matter. There is to be no judgement on people for their PAST support of Israel. I am talking about FUTURE support of Israel, from this moment forward, as it becomes quite clear, vis a vis the Epstein scandal, that Israel has acted in a hostile manner towards the United States of America, and that is the most important lesson to understand moving forward. To continue to support Israel, knowing of its likely hostile intent, knowing of its history of hostile actions towards sitting American Presidents, including Bill Clinton and perhaps Donald Trump -- would be simply an act of treason.

As America struggles to grapple with the fallout of the Epstein scandal, the single most important thing that must be learned is that Israel is a hostile nation, and has attempted to subvert our democracy. They must be punished, and anyone that tries to hide behind anti-semitism as a way to deflect or derail investigation of the full scope of Israel's attack on American political system, should be deemed a traitor by default.

Netanyahu famously called the US-and I paraphrase, 'an easily manipulated pushover' when discussing Oslo and his smug admission of deliberately derailing the Accord. Let us also not forget Israel spying on the US (Jonathan Pollard), the 'accidental' attack on an unarmed US naval vessel, USS Liberty, in international waters, and selling US military secrets to China, a de facto enemy. Some 'ally'.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Nothing's stupider than you asking for another poster's religious beliefs on a non-religious thread.

Oh, so Judiasm is a religion again, for a little while. LOLOLOL

 

[The Brad Dad]

I'll try not to be overly disappointed by yet another Mad Lib failure.

You should be used to your own to soften the fall by now.

 

[Ouroboros]

When will you stop supporting a genocidal and apartheid state?

You'd fit right in with most of Leftie academia.

 

[Ouroboros]

Oh, so Judiasm is a religion again, for a little while. LOLOLOL

What cartoon reality do you inhabit, that you think it stopped being such?

 

[Ouroboros]

You should be used to your own to soften the fall by now.

Keep telling yourself that, Mister "Judaism Isn't a Religion."

 

[snakestretcher]

You'd fit right in with most of Leftie academia.

You mean people with brains, unlike conservatives and Trump-humpers?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Keep telling yourself that, Mister "Judaism Isn't a Religion."

Judiasm is a religion. That isnt my definition. And I bet you're not Jewish and don't know what Judiasm is or isn't anyway.

 

[Ouroboros]

You mean people with brains, unlike conservatives and Trump-humpers?

Yeah, nothing shows intelligence like discriminating against Jewish-American citizens to prop up Palestinian activists-- none of whom would validate any of the Left's favorite causes, like LGBTQ. No, what American Lefties have done on campuses is to dish out a full plate of Stupid, and the Right has been greatly entertained by the performance.

 

[Ouroboros]

Judiasm is a religion. That isnt my definition. And I bet you're not Jewish and don't know what Judiasm is or isn't anyway.

You're still the poster who responded to a citation about anti-Jewish prejudice on campuses with the bizarre comeback "Are you Jewish?" Clearly you don't know anything about the topic, even without your smarmy insinuation that anyone who's against Leftie anti-Semitism must be a "member of the Tribe."

 

[The Brad Dad]

You're still the poster who responded to a citation about anti-Jewish prejudice on campuses with the bizarre comeback "Are you Jewish?" Clearly you don't know anything about the topic, even without your smarmy insinuation that anyone who's against Leftie anti-Semitism must be a "member of the Tribe."

It’s not an insinuation. I’m directly saying you’re not Jewish despite lecturing people on what Judaism is or isn’t. You can always tell.

 

[snakestretcher]

You're still the poster who responded to a citation about anti-Jewish prejudice on campuses with the bizarre comeback "Are you Jewish?" Clearly you don't know anything about the topic, even without your smarmy insinuation that anyone who's against Leftie anti-Semitism must be a "member of the Tribe."

Ah yes, how predictable. Anti-Israeli genocide therefore must be an anti-Semite. Pathetic argument.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Ah yes, how predictable. Anti-Israeli genocide therefore must be an anti-Semite. Pathetic argument.

Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is indeed antisemitism.

 

[reinaert]

Should I assume that this was your position even before Trump secured the return of the last remaining American hostages of whom we're aware?

No. My position was that Hamas, being stupid, venal and shortsighted, gave Bibi everything he ever wanted. And Bibi, being smart, evil and trapped by his own vices, took it further than even his perennial allies could stomach.

Several hundred thousand innocents have paid a blood price between.

 

[reinaert]

Nothing's stupider than you asking for another poster's religious beliefs on a non-religious thread.

Since the founding of Israel, being a Jew has become very complex.

What used to be, with the exception of Levites and Cohens, just a religion is now much more and less than that.

My own people were Sephardim, long exiled to Italy, with quite a large number of Levite alleles, a bunch of Sardinian ancestors, and one of those Italian last names that only Jews tended to have; and the "Italian" I learned as a child was actually full of Ladino, Greek and Turkish words, but no one was ever talking about how we were Jewish, because the 1820s and the 1920s (the two waves of immigration which brought my forebears to Massachusetts) were eras of deep antisemitism. We wew also very consciously Yankees. My own mother converted to Catholicism, in part because my family lived in a predominantly Melkite Lebanese community, and that's where she felt most whatever.

So I am both definitely Jewish and also not. I have a Rabbi's letter authorizing aliyah, am circumcised, and never had a bar mitzvah, because my mother raised us with the fervor of a convert.

It is not as simple as anyone seems to want it to be.

There is another regular poster, here, who is both "more and less" Jewish than I (raised Jewish, bar mitzvahed, but openly an atheist, and one other reason only he is free to explain), who if he wants to can explain in his own terms why nothing is simple about being a Jew.

 

[Ouroboros]

It’s not an insinuation. I’m directly saying you’re not Jewish despite lecturing people on what Judaism is or isn’t. You can always tell.

I'm sure all that nonsense sounded good in your head, but you didn't actually say any of that until now.

 

[Ouroboros]

Ah yes, how predictable. Anti-Israeli genocide therefore must be an anti-Semite. Pathetic argument.

Anti-Semites (plural) are any persons, including persons of Jewish ancestry, who discriminate against Jews purely because of ethnic heritage. Maybe you can justify "anti-Zionism" when talking about resistance to political figures like Netanyhu. You cannot justify the reports of campus discrimination because those reports don't involve political figures. At best the anti-Semitic actions on American campuses is scapegoat-ism: "we'll make life difficult for this Harvard pre-law Jew and that'll make the Americans sympathize with Innocent Palestinians."

 

[Ouroboros]

No. My position was that Hamas, being stupid, venal and shortsighted, gave Bibi everything he ever wanted. And Bibi, being smart, evil and trapped by his own vices, took it further than even his perennial allies could stomach.

Several hundred thousand innocents have paid a blood price between.

The strategy of Hamas worked pretty well: they committed a heinous crime, directed in part at American citizens not involved in Israeli governmental actions, and then they put their own people in harm's way in order to incite international sympathy.

How different WWII would have turned out, if the German soldiers had just thought of hiding behind civilians to repulse a retaliatory attack!

 

[Ouroboros]

Since the founding of Israel, being a Jew has become very complex.

What used to be, with the exception of Levites and Cohens, just a religion is now much more and less than that.

My own people were Sephardim, long exiled to Italy, with quite a large number of Levite alleles, a bunch of Sardinian ancestors, and one of those Italian last names that only Jews tended to have; and the "Italian" I learned as a child was actually full of Ladino, Greek and Turkish words, but no one was ever talking about how we were Jewish, because the 1820s and the 1920s (the two waves of immigration which brought my forebears to Massachusetts) were eras of deep antisemitism. We wew also very consciously Yankees. My own mother converted to Catholicism, in part because my family lived in a predominantly Melkite Lebanese community, and that's where she felt most whatever.

So I am both definitely Jewish and also not. I have a Rabbi's letter authorizing aliyah, am circumcised, and never had a bar mitzvah, because my mother raised us with the fervor of a convert.

It is not as simple as anyone seems to want it to be.

There is another regular poster, here, who is both "more and less" Jewish than I (raised Jewish, bar mitzvahed, but openly an atheist, and one other reason only he is free to explain), who if he wants to can explain in his own terms why nothing is simple about being a Jew.

Okay, but Brad Dad, though he claims to have had deep motives for posing the question, was rather indulging in scapegoat-ism. Why would I, as an American citizen, need to be Jewish myself when evaluating the actions of Mad Libs attempting to marginalize other American citizens for their ethnicity?

 

[snakestretcher]

Falsely accusing Jews of committing imaginary atrocities is indeed antisemitism.

Truth really sucks when you don't like being confronted with it, doesn't it?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, say Israel-based human rights groups

Reports detailing intentional targeting of Palestinians as a group, and systemic destruction of Palestinian society, add to pressure for action

www.theguardian.com

Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case

The Israeli government has failed to comply with at least one measure in the legally binding order from the International Court of Justice, in South Africa’s genocide case.

www.hrw.org

 

[The Brad Dad]

I'm sure all that nonsense sounded good in your head, but you didn't actually say any of that until now.

So you’re not Jewish but will lecture American Jews while believing they’re shylocks.

 

[snakestretcher]

The strategy of Hamas worked pretty well: they committed a heinous crime, directed in part at American citizens not involved in Israeli governmental actions, and then they put their own people in harm's way in order to incite international sympathy.

How different WWII would have turned out, if the German soldiers had just thought of hiding behind civilians to repulse a retaliatory attack!

Hiding behind civilians? Like the IDF? The Israeli High Court banned the practise in 2005, yet despite the ban (which the IDF appealed against, and lost), IDF continued using Palestinian civilians, including children, as human shields-and they still do. So I suggest you get Israel to clean up their own act before you start pointing fingers.

Two Israeli soldiers guilty of using human shield in Gaza

An Israeli military court convicts two Israeli soldiers for using a Palestinian child as a human shield during an assault on Gaza in 2009.

www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields

· Even 'volunteers' breach Geneva pact, judge rules · Human rights victory after three-year struggle

www.theguardian.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-human-shields-israel-military-gaza-intl

Myth: Palestinians use human shields | Decolonize Palestine

Claiming Palestinians use their own people as human shields aims to dehumanize them and justify Israeli killings. While there is no evidence that Palestinians practice this, there are mountains of evidence of the IDF doing so.

decolonizepalestine.com