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Antifa finally tells the truth

Mycroft said:
That designation is symbolic...but useful. And RICO will be the vehicle used to bring down Antifa.

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how the RICO Act (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) might be used to prosecute domestic extremist groups, even in the absence of a formal “domestic terrorist organization” designation.​
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⚖️ RICO as a Tool Against Domestic Extremism​

RICO was originally designed to dismantle organized crime, but its scope has broadened significantly. Here's how it could apply to domestic groups like Antifa or others:​
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✅ Legal Requirements for RICO Prosecution​

To bring a RICO case, prosecutors must establish:​
  • Existence of an enterprise: A group with a structure or shared purpose.
  • Pattern of racketeering activity: At least two predicate criminal acts within 10 years.
  • Connection to the enterprise: The defendant must be associated with or employed by the group.
  • Threat of continued criminal behavior: Not just isolated incidents.
This framework allows prosecutors to target decentralized or “leaderless” groups, which is crucial when dealing with modern extremist movements that avoid formal hierarchies.​
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🧨 Domestic Terrorism vs. RICO​

Since U.S. law doesn’t allow for the designation of domestic terrorist organizations (unlike foreign ones), RICO offers a workaround:​
  • It doesn’t require a terrorism label.
  • It can be used to prosecute material support networks, even if the group isn’t formally designated.
  • It sidesteps First Amendment issues by focusing on criminal conduct, not ideology.

🏛️ Executive Orders and Symbolic Designations​

Designating a group like Antifa as a “domestic terrorist organization” via executive order is symbolic, not legally binding. It doesn’t:​
  • Trigger new criminal penalties.
  • Authorize surveillance or asset freezes.
  • Change prosecutorial standards.
However, such a designation might:​
  • Signal federal prioritization.
  • Justify broader investigations.
  • Influence public perception and interagency coordination.
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If you want to prosecute people for criminal acts using an existing legal framework, then you are more than welcome to do so. But branding Antifa as a "domestic terror organization" is just hot air with no substance behind it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I think it's bigger than the Trump presidency. The Trump presidency is a wrench in the works

What they mean when they say Trump it's you. When Trump's not there anymore it will be you.
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Yes, we got a glimpse of that under the Biden administration with the constant labeling as domestic terrorists and the relentless dehumanization tactics. The suppression of speech with the censorship against the right on social media.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The sentence you said didn't even make sense on a grammatical level.

Domestic terrorist organization is it the law no it's an organization.

The lobby accused is Rico. It was laid out and post 45 if you don't get it then you don't get it.
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I'm not talking about RICO, I'm talking about Trump's executive order. I'm explaining why Trump designating Antifa as a "domestic terror organization" carries absolutely zero legal weight.
 
redbeer said:
Yes, we got a glimpse of that under the Biden administration with the constant labeling as domestic terrorists and the relentless dehumanization tactics. The suppression of speech with the censorship against the right on social media.
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Now you guys are doing it. What goes around comes around, as always!
 
If you're interested, I bet this Anon guy can set you up with replica explosives and a getaway driver with formal training from Quantico.

To be abundantly clear, when you determine someone is an ICE agent and find them guilty of violating the liberties of hapless illegals, that's a trial. When you put a piece of concrete through their car window as a "direct action", that's punishment. Overseeing trials and punishments might be an attempt at insurgency, but it's never going to be an anarchist insurgency. This was made clearest at CHOP, when anarchist guards guarding a police station in protest of police brutality shot suspected car thieves as they fled.

Anarchists should go back and review Proudhon, Tolstoy, Laozi, and Jesus. There are means of exercising power that do not involve conflict and violence.
 
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Irredentist said:
Now you guys are doing it. What goes around comes around, as always!
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Antifa are anarchists with hundreds of hours of video attesting to this fact. The Trump administration is not going after 'democrats', not censoring the speech of 'democrats'. The creed the anarchists posted in the OP proves it. Why are you siding with those whose sole purpose is to cause chaos and violence in our streets?

No one group, whether antifa, white supremacists, or Nazi's should be committing violence for their extreme ideals. How this designation will help in solving this problem, idk, but it's a step. It's not free speech or the right to assemble when they burn police cars, attack police, burn public and private property......they are just idiots committing violence in need of a prison cell.
 
redbeer said:
Antifa are anarchists with hundreds of hours of video attesting to this fact. The Trump administration is not going after 'democrats', not censoring the speech of 'democrats'. The creed the anarchists posted in the OP proves it. Why are you siding with those whose sole purpose is to cause chaos and violence in our streets?

No one group, whether antifa, white supremacists, or Nazi's should be committing violence for their extreme ideals. How this designation will help in solving this problem, idk, but it's a step. It's not free speech or the right to assemble when they burn police cars, attack police, burn public and private property......they are just idiots committing violence in need of a prison cell.
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If you want to prosecute individual actors for criminal actions, you are more than welcome to do so. But designating the whole of Antifa as "domestic terrorists" is nothing more than a direct attack on free speech. If the American people want to rally under a giant banner that says ANTIFA, they have a clear and immutable right to do so.
 
Irredentist said:
If you want to prosecute individual actors for criminal actions, you are more than welcome to do so. But designating the whole of Antifa as "domestic terrorists" is nothing more than a direct attack on free speech. If the American people want to rally under a giant banner that says ANTIFA, they have a clear and immutable right to do so.
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It's not attacking free speech to wage war with violence......they actively push for violence across America. They do not stand for dialect, discussion, or debate, let alone peaceful protests. Standing under the banner of Antifa, they should be seen for what they are.
 
Irredentist said:
If you want to prosecute individual actors for criminal actions, you are more than welcome to do so. But designating the whole of Antifa as "domestic terrorists" is nothing more than a direct attack on free speech. If the American people want to rally under a giant banner that says ANTIFA, they have a clear and immutable right to do so.
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The Trump administration will deal with the individual actors. Those underling cannon fodder members won't enjoy the easy release they've had when previously arrested. The major change is that, unlike before, the Trump administration will also be going after those who build that "giant banner that says ANTIFA". That's where the RICO laws come into play.

btw, nobody in the US has a "clear and immutable right" to riot, burn, destroy and assault...not even if people like you insist on calling such actions a "rally".
 
Irredentist said:
If you want to prosecute individual actors for criminal actions, you are more than welcome to do so. But designating the whole of Antifa as "domestic terrorists" is nothing more than a direct attack on free speech. If the American people want to rally under a giant banner that says ANTIFA, they have a clear and immutable right to do so.
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This sounds right, but we better look deeper.

First, this is Trump's order. Note the rather harsh tone compared to Executive Order 9066, which led to the prolonged imprisonment of Americans of Japanese ancestry. So I don't think we can just blindly assume it is fluff.

All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations — especially those involving terrorist actions — conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutorial actions against those who fund such operations.
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This part is clearly an effort to restart COINTELPRO, with most likely the same lack of limits on the scope of the operation. Notice the carefully careless wording. It does not say "material support for Antifa", an organization which does exist in some sense but has a very limited reach. It says any organization a person claiming to be a member of Antifa supports. It also says "investigate, disrupt and dismantle..." -- notice that "investigate" implies that you don't even know if there was an illegal operation yet ... but it is already being disrupted and dismantled? That's a call for very blatant intervention in what may not be illegal activity.

Just to give an example: suppose there's somebody on DebatePolitics who uses a three downward arrow symbol reminiscent of Antifa. That can be said to be identifying as Antifa. Suppose their profile says they donated to the site. That's material support. And so, therefore, every federal agency is now encouraged to look through every post on DebatePolitics for illegal activity (there's AI for that...), and simultaneously create infiltration accounts to go in and "disrupt" its operation. That's actually what the order says and they may well be up to it at any moment.
 
Irredentist said:
If you want to prosecute people for criminal acts using an existing legal framework, then you are more than welcome to do so. But branding Antifa as a "domestic terror organization" is just hot air with no substance behind it.
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This is the substance...
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However, such a designation might:​
  • Signal federal prioritization.
  • Justify broader investigations.
  • Influence public perception and interagency coordination.
 
redbeer said:
Regardless, they are used as a political tool. Far left or far right extremists always take direct action to push their beliefs. They're more about mayhem and chaos than the rule of law and civility. Hating the idea of compromise between ideals, it's their way or the highway making situations where compromise cannot be possible. Truly domestic enemies of our nation.
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"Regardless"
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
He literally ripped your post apart, and you respond with "regardless" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Mycroft said:
The Trump administration will deal with the individual actors. Those underling cannon fodder members won't enjoy the easy release they've had when previously arrested. The major change is that, unlike before, the Trump administration will also be going after those who build that "giant banner that says ANTIFA". That's where the RICO laws come into play.

btw, nobody in the US has a "clear and immutable right" to riot, burn, destroy and assault...not even if people like you insist on calling such actions a "rally".
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You can't charge people with a crime just for holding up a banner that says "ANTIFA." That's protected speech. It's not illegal to be a member of Antifa.
 
Irredentist said:
You can't charge people with a crime just for holding up a banner that says "ANTIFA." That's protected speech. It's not illegal to be a member of Antifa.
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Correct.

But that's not what Antifa does. They riot, burn, destroy and assault.
 
Irredentist said:
You can't charge people with a crime just for holding up a banner that says "ANTIFA." That's protected speech. It's not illegal to be a member of Antifa.
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You are arguing with folks who literally would be over the moon if Trump deemed the Democrat Party a terrorist organization.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Distinction without a difference
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There is a big difference. Anarchism is an ideology that promotes a stateless society, Antifa is a slogan used against Fascists. That site does not use the Antifa slogan. Couldn't find it anywhere there. Just the normal resist all government, because government is bad, and please read my latest book, which you can't buy from any capitalist book dealers.
 
NuffSaid said:
You are arguing with folks who literally would be over the moon if Trump deemed the Democrat Party a terrorist organization.
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According to that order, they don't have to deem the Democratic Party terrorists. They just have to show that at least one person who identifies themself as Antifa has donated to the Democratic Party, and then they can "investigate, disrupt and dismantle" any potentially illegal Democratic Party activity.
 
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