Antiabortion lawmakers want to block patients from crossing state lines

[Lycanthrope]

Biden has signed an executive order attempting to mitigate the effects of any State attempting to limit reproductive services:

Biden says SCOTUS, GOP do not 'have a clue' about the 'power of American women, but they're about to find out'

President Biden said the Supreme Court and Republicans have underestimated the "power of American women" and predicted a record turnout of women in November's midterm elections.

www.foxnews.com

The order safeguards access to reproductive health care services, including abortion and contraception; protects the privacy of patients and their access to information promotes safety and security of patients, providers and clinics; and coordinates the implementation of federal efforts to protect reproductive rights and access to health care.

 

[dcsports]

Biden has signed an executive order attempting to mitigate the effects of any State attempting to limit reproductive services:

Biden says SCOTUS, GOP do not 'have a clue' about the 'power of American women, but they're about to find out'

President Biden said the Supreme Court and Republicans have underestimated the "power of American women" and predicted a record turnout of women in November's midterm elections.

www.foxnews.com

The order safeguards access to reproductive health care services, including abortion and contraception; protects the privacy of patients and their access to information promotes safety and security of patients, providers and clinics; and coordinates the implementation of federal efforts to protect reproductive rights and access to health care.

Yes. He created an executive order to prevent things that weren't happening anyway. How exciting.

 

[Lursa]

There is such a law that allows people to be prosecuted for the crime of child molestation if they engage in ILLEGAL sex trafficking and are engaged in illegal conduct in that foreign country....which is what he missed..its illegal to have sex with an 8 year old in all of Latin America....if you do it, when you come back, you are going to jail. They take jurisdiction in the US to prosecute...not because of the travel, but because the conduct is illegal both in the foreign country and in this country....much like drug trafficking. However, they also allow the country where the crime occurred to have priority over prosecution, unless the person is extradited for prosecution in the US....ie see the cases of Antonio Hernandez and Juan Orlando Hernandez (brother of former president of Honduras and the former president of Honduras) they were extradited on warrants to the US for trafficking narcotics...specifically cocaine Honduras deferred prosecution and the US is charging them with that on a federal level....however, narcotics trafficking is also illegal in Honduras

I never wrote otherwise.

 

[Lursa]

No, the federal government definitely has "input". Republicans are working on a national abortion ban as we write. If they can get the votes, and if it is signed into law by a Republican president, then we will have a federal abortion ban.

Women could then try their luck in the courts by claiming the law violates their constitutional rights, but they will lose, because of Dobbs.

Why would they lose because of Dobbs? They just ignored a bunch of other precedents, Dobbs can be tossed aside too.

 

[Lursa]

As usual, I must apologize for exceeding your attention span.

Lying and excessively verbose diversionary arguments such as you present lose it very quickly. Specificity and honesty keep me engaged.

 

[ClaraD]

lol. Who is making a serious effort to create a law like this? (Yes, I get that there are probably fringe groups advocating for this). It's a straw man narrative that's being introduced to try to use as an election issue. I don't believe anyone's even introduced a law for this.

Abbott and Desantis and my governor are fringe groups?

 

[NOVA66]

Sounds like communism and dictators.

 

[NOVA66]

Yes. He created an executive order to prevent things that weren't happening anyway. How exciting.

Foresight?

 

[dcsports]

Abbott and Desantis and my governor are fringe groups?

Show me what legislation they have proposed to limit travel.

 

[dcsports]

Foresight?

Strawman. Democrats want desperately to change the focus of the midterms.

 

[NOVA66]

Strawman. Democrats want desperately to change the focus of the midterms.

Republicans do the same thing.

 

[dcsports]

Republicans do the same thing.

Talk about deflection!

Republicans love to talk about the events currently facing Americans.

 

[NOVA66]

Talk about deflection!

Republicans love to talk about the events currently facing Americans.

No deflection at all. They do the same thing when times are different.

 

[Credence]

Wow. Great idea !

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat off the Gulf of Mexico

OBGYN organizing to bring abortions, reproductive healthcare to people in states like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama on federal waters.

A Bay Area OB-GYN is organizing an effort to bring abortion services and reproductive healthcare to several southern states bordering the Gulf of Mexico via a ship sailing on federal waters. Dr. Meg Autry, who also works as a professor at UCSF, had already been working to bring this effort to life. But when Roe v. Wade was overturned, Autry said their plans were accelerated.

As first reported by KCBS, this plan called PRROWESS aims to bring reproductive healthcare to states where abortions are banned, limited, or hard to access.

In an interview with NBC Bay Area, Autry pointed out that people living in southern parts of states like Texas and Louisiana with restrictive abortion rules are actually closer to the coast than to nearby states with more abortion access. Plus, she noted, getting on a boat is cheaper and quicker than getting on a plane to another state.

Autry has performed abortions for decades and refers to herself as "a lifelong educator, a lifelong career abortion advocate."

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat Off the Gulf of Mexico

Protecting Reproductive Rights of Women Endangered by State Statutes, or PRROWESS, aims to offer surgical abortions to women in states like Texas, Louisiana and Alabama, via a vessel on federal waters

www.nbcbayarea.com

 

[dcsports]

Wow. Great idea !

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat off the Gulf of Mexico

OBGYN organizing to bring abortions, reproductive healthcare to people in states like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama on federal waters.

A Bay Area OB-GYN is organizing an effort to bring abortion services and reproductive healthcare to several southern states bordering the Gulf of Mexico via a ship sailing on federal waters. Dr. Meg Autry, who also works as a professor at UCSF, had already been working to bring this effort to life. But when Roe v. Wade was overturned, Autry said their plans were accelerated.

As first reported by KCBS, this plan called PRROWESS aims to bring reproductive healthcare to states where abortions are banned, limited, or hard to access.

In an interview with NBC Bay Area, Autry pointed out that people living in southern parts of states like Texas and Louisiana with restrictive abortion rules are actually closer to the coast than to nearby states with more abortion access. Plus, she noted, getting on a boat is cheaper and quicker than getting on a plane to another state.

Autry has performed abortions for decades and refers to herself as "a lifelong educator, a lifelong career abortion advocate."

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat Off the Gulf of Mexico

Protecting Reproductive Rights of Women Endangered by State Statutes, or PRROWESS, aims to offer surgical abortions to women in states like Texas, Louisiana and Alabama, via a vessel on federal waters

www.nbcbayarea.com

That is insane! Conducting medical procedures off the coast where they can avoid health regulations? What can go wrong there?

I wonder what their plan is for complications? Jet ski someone to a coastal hospital?

 

[ClaraD]

If the State of South Carolina makes it a tort for someone to gamble in a casino (regardless of the location of the casino), and also specifies both that the Plaintiff need not show specific harm to themselves or others AND that the statutory damage award for anyone who is sued civilly for "gambling in a casino" is $100,000 then the State of South Carolina need not prove anything whatsoever.

If the State of South Carolina makes it a crime for someone to "Gamble in a casino (regardless of the location of the casino)" then the State of South Carolina needs to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the Accused was "gambling in a casino". Had you read my previous post, you would have seen how easy it would be to convince a jury that the Accused had been "gambling in a casino" (especially if the State of South Carolina subpoenas the records of the casino and/or the credit/bank card records of the Accused).

If the State of South Carolina makes it a crime for someone to "Leave the State of South Carolina for the purpose of gambling in a casino (regardless of the location of the casino)" then the State of South Carolina needs to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that the Accused was "gambling in a casino". Had you read my previous post, you would have seen how easy it would be to convince a jury that the Accused had been "gambling in a casino" (especially if the State of South Carolina subpoenas the records of the casino and/or the credit/bank card records of the Accused).

There is absolutely no reason to "impede a citizen from free travel".

with civil accusations, there is no way to subpoena and require anything from out of state...cannot even require witnesses to show up, if they are from the other state.....

 

[Lursa]

Wow. Great idea !

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat off the Gulf of Mexico

OBGYN organizing to bring abortions, reproductive healthcare to people in states like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama on federal waters.

A Bay Area OB-GYN is organizing an effort to bring abortion services and reproductive healthcare to several southern states bordering the Gulf of Mexico via a ship sailing on federal waters. Dr. Meg Autry, who also works as a professor at UCSF, had already been working to bring this effort to life. But when Roe v. Wade was overturned, Autry said their plans were accelerated.

As first reported by KCBS, this plan called PRROWESS aims to bring reproductive healthcare to states where abortions are banned, limited, or hard to access.

In an interview with NBC Bay Area, Autry pointed out that people living in southern parts of states like Texas and Louisiana with restrictive abortion rules are actually closer to the coast than to nearby states with more abortion access. Plus, she noted, getting on a boat is cheaper and quicker than getting on a plane to another state.

Autry has performed abortions for decades and refers to herself as "a lifelong educator, a lifelong career abortion advocate."

Bay Area Doctor Plans to Offer Abortions Via Boat Off the Gulf of Mexico

Protecting Reproductive Rights of Women Endangered by State Statutes, or PRROWESS, aims to offer surgical abortions to women in states like Texas, Louisiana and Alabama, via a vessel on federal waters

www.nbcbayarea.com

I've been saying that for years, esp on the east coast & Gulf...use the gambling ships that just go into international waters. They are already set up for it in many ways...rooms for overnight stays, medical facilities that could be upgraded for the procedure, hard to picket!

It would still be accommodating the gamblers too, both purposes at the same time. And even the poorest of women could be treated decently and with respect.

 

[ClaraD]

I've been saying that for years, esp on the east coast & Gulf...use the gambling ships that just go into international waters. They are already set up for it in many ways...rooms for overnight stays, medical facilities that could be upgraded for the procedure, hard to picket!

It would still be accommodating the gamblers too, both purposes at the same time. And even the poorest of women could be treated decently and with respect.

yep and if a forced birth protester makes their way onto the ship, lock them up in a cold cell specifically for them and when they are returned to land...put them in jail for trespass and harassment. No free speech rights on private property or in international waters.....I was thinking of saying dump them in a dinghy and let the row to shore....but that has legal consequences if they drown.

 

[KingLeo]

Something even more disturbing along those lines.

The Danger of License Plate Readers in Post-Roe America​

Known as ALPRs, this surveillance tech is pervasive across the US—and could soon be used by police and anti-abortion groups alike.
Currently, nine states have almost entirely banned abortion, and more are expected to follow suit. Many Republican lawmakers in these states are discussing the possibility of preventing people from traveling across state lines to obtain an abortion. If such plans are enacted and withstand legal scrutiny, one of the key technologies that could be deployed to track people trying to cross state lines is automated license plate readers (ALPRs).

The Danger of License Plate Readers in Post-Roe America

Known as ALPRs, this surveillance tech is pervasive across the US—and could soon be used by police and anti-abortion groups alike.

www.wired.com

 

[Lursa]

That is insane! Conducting medical procedures off the coast where they can avoid health regulations? What can go wrong there?

I wonder what their plan is for complications? Jet ski someone to a coastal hospital?

I always find that view interesting.

Did you know that previously, AL tried to force drs at abortion clinics to have privileges at a (very) nearby hospital?

Meanwhile, AL had NO laws demanding that of mid-wives and doulas that delivered babies at home

The hypocrisy is ridiculous. They have Drs and medical facilities on ships and they can be upgraded. What do they do for heart attacks, women going into labor, other emergencies? Or are you questioning the quality of the drs?

 

[Lursa]

Something even more disturbing along those lines.

The Danger of License Plate Readers in Post-Roe America​

Known as ALPRs, this surveillance tech is pervasive across the US—and could soon be used by police and anti-abortion groups alike.
Currently, nine states have almost entirely banned abortion, and more are expected to follow suit. Many Republican lawmakers in these states are discussing the possibility of preventing people from traveling across state lines to obtain an abortion. If such plans are enacted and withstand legal scrutiny, one of the key technologies that could be deployed to track people trying to cross state lines is automated license plate readers (ALPRs).

The Danger of License Plate Readers in Post-Roe America

Known as ALPRs, this surveillance tech is pervasive across the US—and could soon be used by police and anti-abortion groups alike.

www.wired.com

They have a license plate number & a pic of a car...with a woman or girl over 9 yrs old in the car.

Then what? Lay it out for me?

 

[beefheart]

That is insane! Conducting medical procedures off the coast where they can avoid health regulations? What can go wrong there?

I wonder what their plan is for complications? Jet ski someone to a coastal hospital?

Better than a coat hangar.

 

[dcsports]

I always find that view interesting.

Did you know that previously, AL tried to force drs at abortion clinics to have privileges at a (very) nearby hospital?

Meanwhile, AL had NO laws demanding that of mid-wives and doulas that delivered babies at home

The hypocrisy is ridiculous. They have Drs and medical facilities on ships and they can be upgraded. What do they do for heart attacks, women going into labor, other emergencies? Or are you questioning the quality of the drs?

While I don't think a doctor at a clinic performing invasive procedures necessarily needs to have privileges at a hospital, they need to at least have access to one and a plan for what to do if there are serious complications. There's a big difference between having a clinic on land, at a fixed location, with nearby hospitals and available emergency ambulance service... and one on a boat miles from land. The difference when someone needs help is minutes vs. hours.

Sure, there are emergency facilities on ships, and I'm certain these ships will be set up for emergency action - as all clinics are. But that's not a substitute for having access to a real hospital with operating rooms, blood bank, ICU, etc. And this isn't preparing for something that 'might' happen on a sightseeing ship - they are performing invasive procedures, and a certain percent will have complications.

I don't have enough information to question the 'quality of the doctors'. But she's certainly demonstrating questionable judgement.

 

[Lursa]

While I don't think a doctor at a clinic performing invasive procedures necessarily needs to have privileges at a hospital, they need to at least have access to one and a plan for what to do if there are serious complications. There's a big difference between having a clinic on land, at a fixed location, with nearby hospitals and available emergency ambulance service... and one on a boat miles from land. The difference when someone needs help is minutes vs. hours.

But non-doctors doing home deliveries dont? Where mother AND baby are at risk? You didnt address that.

Sure, there are emergency facilities on ships, and I'm certain these ships will be set up for emergency action - as all clinics are. But that's not a substitute for having access to a real hospital with operating rooms, blood bank, ICU, etc. And this isn't preparing for something that 'might' happen on a sightseeing ship - they are performing invasive procedures, and a certain percent will have complications.

I don't have enough information to question the 'quality of the doctors'. But she's certainly demonstrating questionable judgement.

And ships have/can have very sophisticated medical facilities, why do you choose to believe they wont invest in that and in good doctors? And again, people having heart attacks or other emergencies, including invasive procedures, would face the same risks...I havent heard anyone objecting.

Not only that, abortions are very safe, 14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth link. Should they not allow pregnant women on ships in case they suffer complications? Or not be prepared to deliver babies?

 

[dcsports]

While I don't think a doctor at a clinic performing invasive procedures necessarily needs to have privileges at a hospital, they need to at least have access to one and a plan for what to do if there are serious complications. There's a big difference between having a clinic on land, at a fixed location, with nearby hospitals and available emergency ambulance service... and one on a boat miles from land. The difference when someone needs help is minutes vs. hours.

But non-doctors doing home deliveries dont? Where mother AND baby are at risk? You didnt address that.

Not sure you read what I wrote. Sure, home deliveries are a little different than a clinic. But they are in a fixed, known location with access to an emergency ambulance services. More specifically, I think it would be silly to do midwife deliveries on a boat miles from shore as well.

And ships have/can have very sophisticated medical facilities, why do you choose to believe they wont invest in that and in good doctors? And again, people having heart attacks or other emergencies, including invasive procedures, would face the same risks...I havent heard anyone objecting.

No, they are not talking about having a hospital ship, and wouldn't be as capable as a hospital. And again, I would object to heart catheterization or other invasive procedures intentionally being done in an inaccessible location as well.

Not only that, abortions are very safe, 14 times safer than pregnancy/childbirth link. Should they not allow pregnant women on ships? Not be prepared to deliver babies?

There's a big 'it depends' there, but I wouldn't suggest opening a birthing on a boat far from shore either.