Anti War protestor spits on Iraq Veteran

[Orion]

The capability is there, but it is more likley from the left given the whiney nature and the "pogressive" attitudes. I never indicated that it does not happen on the right, however it is FAR more prevalent with the left.

They complain more.

"More likely" still admits the possibility of the right acting out. Thanks for admitting I'm correct.

Next...

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

"More likely" still admits the possibility of the right acting out. Thanks for admitting I'm correct.

Next...

never said otherwise.


Next.....

 

[Hatuey]

Right, cause he deserves to be spit on, eh hautey? :roll:

KKK - I don't deserve to be lynched but if I walked into a KKK rally I would not be surprised if some of them called for my lynching. Learn context. Should an illegal immigrant be surprised if they aren't fond of him at minutemen rallies? Should the Westboro baptist church be surprised they aren't welcome at troop funerals? Should pro-lifers be surprised if they aren't invited to the Christmas parties of pro-choice groups? I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't welcomed at the KKK headquarters for thanksgiving turkey this year but since all you can do is bring up strawmen then please by all means continue to believe that context(which the video gives LITTLE of if any) is not important in a situation.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

KKK - I don't deserve to be lynched but if I walked into a KKK rally I would not be surprised if some of them called for my lynching. Learn context.

So you are comparing the integrity of left wing protesters to KKK members.


You said it, not me. :lol::doh

 

[Hatuey]

So you are comparing the integrity of left wing protesters to KKK members.


You said it, not me. :lol::doh

No - I am making an example of context. Are you purposely obtuse? Or is it a natural occurrence?

 

[Orion]

never said otherwise.

Actually you did. You wanted me to prove it, hello?

i'm talking about America Jack and this war. go ahead. prove that this is more than a primarilly left wing thing.

by the very nature of "conservatism" it is much less likley on the right wing side. prove me wrong.

If there really was no debate and we agreed then you wouldn't have asked for evidence. Own up to the things you say.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No - I am making an example of context. Are you purposely obtuse? Or is it a natural occurrence?

Well you said you would expect to be lynched at a KKK rally cause them libs tend to act with the same integrity as war protesters when they see a vet.

Your point not mine.


I didn't insult you my friend. Please afford me the same courtesy. Thank you.

 

[GottaHurt]

Well, the fact that the clip is 21 seconds long, the spit is obviously completely out of context.

You've sparked my curiosity with this one, how do you take spit out of context?

We don't know if the person filming did or said anything that might incline any of us to determine he deserved it.

Another winner of a statement, please explain to us your criteria for someone to be the recipient of being spit on.

This whole thread is full of bull. Too many unknowns, but more importantly, this time 'round (unlike Vietnam) almost no one is attacking or disrespecting the servicemen from the left. That one crazy rightwing, anti-gay, religious nut job and his followers have, but not the left wing anti-war groups.

You contradict yourself here from start to finish.

"Too many unknowns," yet you go on to point out no one was "attacking/disrespecting the servicemen from the left", only the "crazy rightwing, anti-gay, religious nut job and his followers"

Add this:

"Again, without context and some ability to see if the filmer was dressed in uniform and some manner to determine whether he is really a veteran;"

Yet you concluded that the left was O.K., and that the right was at fault.

; this is just another Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly type of spin BS.

Spin? No, it was conclusive, some dirtbag female was spitting at/on a cameraman, and called him a fascist.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Actually you did. You wanted me to prove it, hello?



If there really was no debate and we agreed then you wouldn't have asked for evidence. Own up to the things you say.

Wait are the words "less likely" and "primarilly" giving your trouble?

 

[Hatuey]

Well you said you would expect to be lynched at a KKK rally cause them libs tend to act with the same integrity as war protesters when they see a vet.

WHERE did I say this? Where did I even put the word integrity? I dare you to point out the word 'integrity' ANYWHERE in my post. You are now being purposely dishonest and it's obvious to everybody here that you've created a strawman. My post was about context not about pointing out integrity and you're trying to twist it to fit your failed original strawman.

Your point not mine.


I didn't insult you my friend. Please afford me the same courtesy. Thank you.

I don't call ducks chickens.

 

[Orion]

Wait are the words "less likely" and "primarilly" giving your trouble?

Please don't be this obtuse, I know how to read between the lines. You were clearly trying to make this a left-wing issue, when really it's a universal one. Don't claim now that you were thinking that this whole time.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

WHERE did I say this? Where did I even put the word integrity? I dare you to point out the word 'integrity' ANYWHERE in my post. You are now being purposely dishonest and it's obvious to everybody here that you've created a strawman. My post was about context not about pointing out integrity and you're trying to twist it to fit your failed original strawman.

I paraphrased my man. Not a strawman, you made the analogy. Own it.

I don't call ducks chickens.

How is this even a response to my request that you not insult me?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Please don't be this obtuse, I know how to read between the lines. You were clearly trying to make this a left-wing issue, when really it's a universal one. Don't claim now that you were thinking that this whole time.

:roll: whatever makes you feel good. This is hardley worth my time proving.


I'll just say, we all as humans have the capacity, however it is more likley in this country to come from the left due to the nature of conservatism and the history of the left.

Feel free to prove me wrong with examples.

 

[Truth Detector]

What was an Iraq war veteran doing in the middle of an anti-war rally?

Exercising his freedom perhaps? I believe it is still your right to enjoy any public place you wish as long as you are not assaulting fellow citizens.

But that is just a wild guess. Why do you ask and what relevance does it have to the story?

 

[Summerwind]

You've sparked my curiosity with this one, how do you take spit out of context?



Another winner of a statement, please explain to us your criteria for someone to be the recipient of being spit on.



You contradict yourself here from start to finish.

"Too many unknowns," yet you go on to point out no one was "attacking/disrespecting the servicemen from the left", only the "crazy rightwing, anti-gay, religious nut job and his followers"

Add this:

"Again, without context and some ability to see if the filmer was dressed in uniform and some manner to determine whether he is really a veteran;"

Yet you concluded that the left was O.K., and that the right was at fault.



Spin? No, it was conclusive, some dirtbag female was spitting at/on a cameraman, and called him a fascist.

Well you've done a great job of cherry picking my presentation. I didn't conclude anything was okay, I simply concluded there are too many unknowns to make a judgement on either the spitter or the spittee.

 

[Truth Detector]

*Sigh* You assume that anyone who spits on an Iraq veteran is a "whacko far left" person.

Damned safe assumption if you ask me; I guess if you live in denial, you can pretend it is a right wing Conservative, however, most of us prefer the REAL world.

 

[Hatuey]

I paraphrased my man.

Bull****. Your claimed I said it was because liberals have the same integrity as KKK members. WHERE did I say anything about integrity? Which words did you paraphrase in order to get 'integrity'. None. Again I ask you - where I did I make any reference to moral character or even closely related? What I did make reference to was the possibility of people who are not welcome at certain events to be able to create unsavory situations. You've twisted this and are now trying to twist yourself out of it. Keep trying.

Not a strawman, you made the analogy. Own it.

Strawman :

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]

How is this even a response to my request that you not insult me?

Do you call dogs cats? I don't.

 

[Truth Detector]

Perhaps the same could be said of a civilized veteran with half a brain should have known better to be in the middle of a group of people who aren't exactly fond of him.

So your argument is that it is okay to spit in the face of a "veteran" because he has no business being amongst a bunch of anti-war lunatics?

You are profound in your desperate attempts to be coherent. :rofl

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

:lol: hautey...


Did you not state that you should fear going to a KKK rally?


What was your point to post that in a thread about a vet going to a kook anti-war rally?


Explain please.

 

[Hatuey]

Exercising his freedom perhaps?

Irrelevant. He can exercise his freedom of speech all he wants - should he be surprised some people might not agree with it? Seems he was trying to get a reaction out of people. Why else would he show up at a troop rally, walk in the midst of it and engaging the protesters? Or should a KKK member be surprised if he isn't welcomed at the next Million Men march?

I believe it is still your right to enjoy any public place you wish as long as you are not assaulting fellow citizens.

Well isn't that great. Does that mean we'll scrap the laws making it illegal for people like the Westboro baptist church to protest at troop funerals as long as they aren't assaulting their fellow citizens? Your grasp on the concepts of context and situation are amazing.

But that is just a wild guess. Why do you ask and what relevance does it have to the story?

Context is the only thing that is relevant in a story.

 

[Hatuey]

:lol: hautey...


Did you not state that you should fear going to a KKK rally?

No I said I would not be surprised if they called for my lynching. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard unsavory things about blacks at events by racist people. If I was an illegal immigrant I wouldn't be surprised if I heard unsavory comments about illegal immigrants at Minute Men rally? What about pro-war rallys? Should I be surprised if I heard unsavory comments about left wing politicians? No.

What was your point to post that in a thread about a vet going to a kook anti-war rally?

Explain please.

I explained already. Why would he show up with a camera and plainly engage the protesters making it fully known that he is the very thing they are protesting? He was looking for a reaction to catch on camera.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No I said I would not be surprised if they called for my lynching. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard unsavory things about blacks at events by racist people. If I was an illegal immigrant I wouldn't be surprised if I heard unsavory comments about illegal immigrants at Minute Men rally? What about pro-war rallys? Should I be surprised if I heard unsavory comments about left wing politicians? No.

so you are not suprised then that this woman spit on a vet.


funny though we never hear about these problems from the pro war rally's do we?

I explained already. Why would he show up with a camera and plainly engage the protesters making it fully known that he is the very thing they are protesting? He was looking for a reaction to catch on camera.

So he deserved it is your point?

 

[Hatuey]

so you are not suprised then that this woman spit on a vet.

No I am not surprised there was a confrontation.

funny though we never hear about these problems from the pro war rally's do we?

You mean confrontations and instigators?

YouTube - Pro-War Counterprotesters

YouTube - Pro War at a Peace Rally

YouTube - Anti Anti-War Hecklers

So he deserved it is your point?

Where did I say that? You're fishing so much it's making the Eskimos cry. You've been asked to provide evidence of what you keep claiming I said. I said he was looking for a reaction to get on camera.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No I am not surprised there was a confrontation.



You mean confrontations and instigators?

YouTube - Pro-War Counterprotesters

YouTube - Pro War at a Peace Rally

YouTube - Anti Anti-War Hecklers

I see no one assaulting or spitting do you?

Where did I say that? You're fishing so much it's making the Eskimos cry. You've been asked to provide evidence of what you keep claiming I said. I said he was looking for a reaction to get on camera.

I thought thats what you were implying with your KKK reference.

 

[Orion]

funny though we never hear about these problems from the pro war rally's do we?

Didn't we JUST finish talking about this, and you admitted that the right can and does act out?